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    1. Horffupolde ◴[] No.44531356[source]
    Suicide is a verb and result by itself. Would the author also say “he died by murder”?
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    2. ellisv ◴[] No.44531414[source]
    They are simplify avoiding using the word "committed" using a well accepted alternative because of the connotation with criminal behavior.

    But no they would say "died by homicide" not "died by murder".

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    3. docdeek ◴[] No.44531454[source]
    Would they not say "was killed" and so allow "killed himself/herself"?
    4. cjs_ac ◴[] No.44531460[source]
    This trend for commenting on news articles with nothing to say but a complaint about the wording of the headline is tedious. The right to free speech does not impose a responsibility to say something about everything you see.
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    5. CoastalCoder ◴[] No.44531462[source]
    Language evolves, like it or not.

    In 2025 English, suicide is most commonly a noun.

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    6. Tostino ◴[] No.44531501[source]
    Maybe "were driven to suicide by..." to properly describe the situation?
    7. thoroughburro ◴[] No.44531504[source]
    Your argument is that the wording of headlines is so meaningless as to always be beneath comment? Seems silly.
    8. giingyui ◴[] No.44531573[source]
    They have unalived themselves.
    9. bendigedig ◴[] No.44531597[source]
    I think you're missing the point by a mile. The point isn't some tedious debate over grammar; it's about the choice of language that perpetuates the idea that suicide is a tragedy that happens passively 'to people' in some kind of tragic, medicalised, incomprehensible way which is severed from any socio-political context.

    In this case, these people were driven to suicide. I would argue that those responsible for the Horizon scandal are guilty of at minimum manslaughter of these poor people.

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    10. foldr ◴[] No.44531917[source]
    > Suicide is a verb

    No it isn’t. You can’t say “He suicided.”

    11. cjs_ac ◴[] No.44531995{3}[source]
    It's a headline. It's not supposed to convey any nuance, it's just there to encourage you to read the article.

    I agree that the wording isn't ideal, and I agree that the headline fails to capture the nuance of the circumstances that lead to suicide, but I disagree that subeditors who write headlines need to encapsulate that nuance. That's what the article is for.

    12. whycome ◴[] No.44532872[source]
    There’s probably a near future where “unalived” becomes an unironic and accepted descriptor.
    13. arrowsmith ◴[] No.44533082[source]
    > Suicide is a verb

    Not in English. Although it's a verb in many languages, which is why "he suicided" is a common ESL mistake.

    14. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.44539832[source]
    Suicide has never been a verb in English in my 40 years on this earth. The OP claiming it is a verb is... really odd.