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Apple vs the Law

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1. dan-robertson ◴[] No.44530712[source]
I’m a bit conflicted: when I used to care more about this freedom stuff say 10 years ago, I would have been more in favour of these regulations. Today I care less about that and more about security and I mostly think that Apple’s preferred approach is better for security than what the EU proposes. That said, I am not super happy about the rate of scams or junk in the App Store.

I think even for Americans who like the anti-gatekeeper regulations, you might worry about the precedent for the powers European governments get over these tech companies as the other thing they want is removing as much encryption as reasonably possible, which you may not want. Those changes seem quite unavoidable though so maybe it’s not worth thinking about them together.

The more damning thing IMO is the whole ‘America innovates Europe regulates’ trend. I think it seems pretty important that the EU (and U.K.) work out how to escape the anti-innovation troughs they have found themselves in. Or perhaps by 2050 the EU will largely be a tourist destination where citizens watch ads for the American tech companies to make profits to be highly taxed by the EU to fund subsidies for the German auto industry to sell cars to Americans and Chinese.

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2. xandrius ◴[] No.44530884[source]
I think you are seeing it slightly skewed: in the past, for a variety of reasons, the US got at the forefront of tech and got even richer in some pockets of the country.

The EU and other countries had some pretty compelling competitors which got more or less slowly crushed by the US.

After over 30 years of this, a handful of the remaining US megacorps turned around and started fencing their own little profitable field, disallowing anyone else to even try to get in.

EU is the only non-purely adversarial entity to uphold laws also to these seemingly untouchable megacorps.

What I find weird is that there is a selective memory in people who are either from the US or pro-big businesses where on one side they are openly against these claims the EU makes (calling them anti-innovation) while also being a fervent supporter of "liberal" policies like medicaid, right to repair, warranties and such. As if they do not realise that they stem from the exact same place, and often they do come directly from Europe.

I'm at a point where I believe that if someone is against what the EU is doing against these megacorps (not saying everything the EU does is gold btw) has either A) vested interest in such companies, B) hates the concept of EU and anything it touches, C) they are rich and don't really care about anything, D) not very bright.

3. danieldk ◴[] No.44531048[source]
Today I care less about that and more about security and I mostly think that Apple’s preferred approach is better for security than what the EU proposes.

This is mostly a false dichotomy that Apple likes to push. macOS has strong security with sandboxing, code signing, malware scanning, etc. I have never encountered someone among my direct acquaintances who had their Mac compromised. Yet, it's perfectly possible to make an alternative app store, circumvent code singing, etc. on a Mac.

Even with the freedom of an EU iPhone, you can still choose to completely stay in the Apple ecosystem and pretend that the extra freedoms that you have gained aren not there.

The thing is that Apple knows that people will purchase from an alternative reputable store if the prices are lower because the margins are lower. Or that developers will move there because they can increase their margins. And then Apple will actually have to compete on price (app store fee) and features.

It has very little to do with security and mostly with Apple wanting to keep their 15%/30% because it's hugely profitable.

the precedent for the powers European governments get over these tech companies as the other thing they want is removing as much encryption as reasonably possible

This does not make any sense at all. Why would you remove encryption, you could just accept an additional root certificate as a user and be protected by the same encryption.

I think it seems pretty important that the EU (and U.K.) work out how to escape the anti-innovation troughs they have found themselves in.

We are doing fine, we just don't believe in profit over everything. Moreover, the current US tech feudalism makes it harder to innovate and develop competitors, because you only get to do what the feudalist overlord permits you to do. Regulation is necessary to make it a fair marketplace again.

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4. ThatMedicIsASpy ◴[] No.44531109[source]
The whole tech house of cards would fall apart if tracking a user is made illegal - or serving ads based on any sort of tracking.
5. saubeidl ◴[] No.44531650[source]
> as the other thing they want is removing as much encryption as reasonably possible, which you may not want

This is the wish of a vocal, but powerless minority, not an actual law. It often gets misused as anti-EU FUD.

6. dan-robertson ◴[] No.44541151[source]
iPhones are a much more juicy target compared to macs.