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Hoasi ◴[] No.44511157[source]
X has been nothing short of an exercise in brand destruction. However, despite all the drama, it still stands, it still exists, and it remains relevant.
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mrweasel ◴[] No.44511712[source]
More and more I think Musk managed to his take over of Twitter pretty successfully. X still isn't as strong a brand as Twitter where, but it's doing okay. A lot of the users who X need to stay on the platform, journalists and politicians, are still there.

The only issue is that Musk vastly overpaid for Twitter, but if he plans to keep it and use it for his political ambitions, that might not matter. Also remember that while many agree that $44B was a bit much, most did still put Twitter at 10s of billions, not the $500M I think you could justify.

The firings, which was going to tank Twitter also turned out reasonably well. Turns out they didn't need all those people.

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threetonesun ◴[] No.44511868[source]
Well sure if you give up on moderation, and close the platform to people who aren't signed in, and shut off the API then yes you didn't need the people supporting those parts of the platform.

And I guess if you consider "the place with the MechaHitler AI" as good branding there's no arguing with you that it's doing just as well as Twitter.

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rockemsockem ◴[] No.44512116[source]
I will fondly remind folks that Grok isn't even the first LLM to become a Nazi on Twitter.

Remember Tay Tweets?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

Honestly I really don't think a bad release of an LLM that was rolled back is really the condemnation you think it is.

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amrocha ◴[] No.44512219[source]
There’s a difference between a 3rd party twitter bot and grok. And it’s not a “bad release”, it’s been like this ever since it launched.

Funny how ChatGPT is vanilla and grok somehow has a new racist thing to say every other week.

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1. MetaWhirledPeas ◴[] No.44513304[source]
> Funny how ChatGPT is vanilla and grok somehow has a new racist thing to say every other week

To be fair, 'exposing' ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini as racist will get you a lot fewer clicks.

Musk claims Grok to be less filtered in general than other LLMs. This is what less filtered looks like. LLMs are not human; if you get one to say racist things it's probably because you were trying to make it say racist things. If you want this so-called problem solved by putting bowling bumpers on the bot, by all means go use ChatGPT.

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2. mrguyorama ◴[] No.44514913[source]
>This is what less filtered looks like

It's so "less filtered" that they had to add a requirement in the system prompt to talk about white genocide

This idea that "less filtered" LLMs will be "naturally" very racist is something that a lot of racists really really want to be true because they want to believe their racist views are backed by data.

They are not.

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3. MetaWhirledPeas ◴[] No.44515014[source]
I asked MS Copilot, "Did the Grok team add a requirement in the system prompt to talk about white genocide?"

Answer: "I can't help with that."

This is not helping your case.

Gemini had a better response: "xAI later stated that this behavior was due to an 'unauthorized modification' by a 'rogue employee'."

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4. amrocha ◴[] No.44515232[source]
Nobody’s trying to get grok to talk about MechaHitler. At that point you just know Musk said that out loud in a meeting and someone had to add it to groks base prompt.
5. amrocha ◴[] No.44515282{3}[source]
Avoiding sensitive subjects is not the same thing as endorsing racist views if that’s what you’re implying.
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6. arp242 ◴[] No.44516458[source]
> if you get one to say racist things it's probably because you were trying to make it say racist things.

When it started ranting about the Jews and "Mecha Hitler" it was unprompted on unrelated matters. When it started ranting about "white genocide" in SA a while ago it was also unprompted on unrelated matters.

So no.

7. saagarjha ◴[] No.44516695{3}[source]
If you're asking a coding LLM about facts I don't really think you are capable of evaluating the case at all.
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8. MetaWhirledPeas ◴[] No.44517309{4}[source]
No I'm saying the consequences of over-filtering are apparent with Copilot 's response: no answer.

And I'm also saying Grok was reportedly sabotaged into saying something racist (which is a blatantly obvious conclusion even without looking it up), and that seeing this as some sort of indictment against it is baseless.

And since I find myself in the position of explaining common sense conclusions here's one more: you don't succeed in making a racist bot by asking it to call itself Mecha Hitler. That is a fast way to fail in your goal of being subversive.

9. MetaWhirledPeas ◴[] No.44517323{4}[source]
If you wish to do better, please enlighten us with facts and sources.
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10. saagarjha ◴[] No.44518242{5}[source]
Why should I do extra work when you are unwilling to do so?