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leakycap ◴[] No.44511088[source]
When I saw this news, my first thought was that she lasted about 1 year and 11 months longer than I expected after the first few weeks.

I know Twitter had many terrible aspects, but I do miss the world voice old Twitter provided for quotes that could be engaged with in an "everyone is here" kind of feeling that doesn't exist on any other platforms right now.

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1. kylebenzle ◴[] No.44512181[source]
Of course I hate what Elon has done to Twitter but you're feeling previously that everyone was there was an illusion brought on by massive propaganda and manipulation of the conversation. The same thing has happened to Reddit now, well it feels more inclusive and open it's actually an incredibly controlled enclosed system that only allows one specific viewpoint. Now of course to the people inside that bubble it feels like freedom but to everyone else it looks like a liberal echo chamber.

For example, when the actual owner of the at Bitcoin handle wasn't pushing the narrative that Jack Dorsey wanted they hijacked the moniker and gave it to a pro b Blockstream (THE COMPANY THAT CONTROLS THE BITCOIN CODE BASE) individual. For most people that support Bitcoin and blockstream it looks like a victory of free speech but in reality they're just controlling more and more of the speech and kicking out anyone from the conversation who disagrees.

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2. fkyoureadthedoc ◴[] No.44512292[source]
> liberal echo chamber

It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers.

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3. swarnie ◴[] No.44512616[source]
Reddit really doesn't.

I commented on a particular sub (in opposition to what i think the core hivemind is there) and was immediately banned from about 30 others.

Reddit is the most insular, single minded set of communities I've seen on social media. I dont think you can claim diversity if the userbase all wall themselves off from each other with bots.

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4. krunck ◴[] No.44512621[source]
All caps don't make it true.
5. kragen ◴[] No.44512673[source]
Possibly leakycap is thinking about 02012 and you're thinking about 02018. In that case you'd both be right about Twitter.
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6. afavour ◴[] No.44512732{3}[source]
What, specifically, did you say that was “in opposition to the core hive mind” that led you to being blocked?
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7. fkyoureadthedoc ◴[] No.44512735{3}[source]
There's a subreddit for everything. Reddit as a whole has plenty of users that represent any opinion you can imagine. Fairly conservative subreddits hit r/all regularly, but not as much as less conservative ones.

I think what you're trying to say is that on default subs, or some popular ones, that you can't post/comment some things without it getting removed, and possibly banned from those subs. Which is absolutely true. Same thing is true on HN, you can't even make a post about Grok's latest escapades without getting flagged.

But if you just want to have some space to discuss some topic, make subreddit for it, moderate it however you want. Reddit itself isn't going to ban you unless it's against site level guidelines.

It's pretty hard to get a site level ban. One easy way is to use a VPN though. My account (and any new one I make, so probably my IP/device too) was banned for ban evasion because I accidentally left my VPN on when using the Reddit app.

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8. tonymet ◴[] No.44513127[source]
this was my take as well. twitter nostalgia not reality. I put the egalitarian age at around 2009 but you're right Kony-2012 was a huge pivot for social media
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9. swarnie ◴[] No.44513424{4}[source]
Sorry, maybe i wasn't clear.

I posted on the ReformUK subreddit in opposition to something that was being touted there. The context of the post doesn't matter, posting on that sub is enough to get you blanked banned from many other placed.

Getting banned from a default sub you've never posted in because you told a racist boomer somewhere else they might be falling for propaganda is bloody weird.

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10. peab ◴[] No.44513651[source]
reddit is like the most censored part of the internet at the moment.
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11. campbel ◴[] No.44513985{5}[source]
I think the intention of it, as weird as it may seem, is to punish people for engaging with content the other subreddit mods feel is distasteful enough to warrant the effort.

I can't speak to whether this is a useful tactic on their part, or whether its fair to you, but IMO this is just another kind of "free speech" that exists.

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12. regularjack ◴[] No.44514161{3}[source]
Your ban was deserved
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13. apwell23 ◴[] No.44514654{4}[source]
why is that ? btw i am indian too. It was in /r/askindians
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14. baby ◴[] No.44514980[source]
It's literally impossible to post anything on any interesting subreddit right now, your post will just repeatedly get deleted.
15. Hyperboreanal ◴[] No.44515269{4}[source]
Your subreddit gets banned immediately if you don't agree with the redditeurs.

You don't see this an as issue because you share their opinions

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17. kragen ◴[] No.44515392{3}[source]
I was talking about reality. Twitter wasn't perfect in 02012 but it was before the reproductively viable worker ant.
18. desichix1 ◴[] No.44515703[source]
> It skews one way, but there's definitely a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find. It's also transitioning into an India social media site, just from sheer population numbers.

This happened on Quora until almost all western users left. Initially it was nice to have diversity of users and opinions, but then people started using Indian parlance that only other Indian users could understand (started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors, etc.)

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19. robocat ◴[] No.44515823{5}[source]
> boomer

Is usually used as an derogatory term. The offensiveness is because it's based on age and it is deemed acceptable by some within one age group to use it - while racism is usually less acceptable. I haven't yet seen zoomer get used similarly.

Disclosure: I'm between younger and older

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20. wredcoll ◴[] No.44515901{5}[source]
Weird how you can find both trump worshipping subreddits and anti-trump ones... or pro catholic and anti-catholic, or pro child porn and anti child porn, and so on and so forth.
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21. wredcoll ◴[] No.44515906{5}[source]
So your argument is that reddit is, what, bad at free speech because subreddits aren't forced to let you in?
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22. arp242 ◴[] No.44516065{3}[source]
[ Removed by Reddit ]
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24. arp242 ◴[] No.44516261{5}[source]
> Getting banned from a default sub you've never posted in because you told a racist boomer somewhere else they might be falling for propaganda is bloody weird.

It's not great, but on the other hand: it's also not a completely terrible heuristic.

The challenge here is that some of these popular default subs attract tens of thousands of comments every day. Dealing with flags is time-consuming, and also "too late": better for racist bollocks to not be posted.

In the end every subreddit is a private fiefdom of the moderator(s) where they can do more or less what they want. Many subs have overly strict, obnoxious, or even bizarre rules. The original sub for The Netherlands got hijacked by some American who proceeded to ban everyone posting in Dutch.

It's not perfect, but in the end I don't think it's a bad thing. A global set of rules for all of Reddit won't work. For example of course you should be free to talk about religion, but proselyting Christianity on /r/atheism (or Atheism on /r/Christianity) would obviously not be desirable.

The thing Reddit replaced was web forums (phpbb etc.), newsgroups, and mailing lists, and those worked more or less the same.

25. arp242 ◴[] No.44516314{5}[source]
The "perceived as" could be interpreted as a genuine "perhaps this is what they think?" or just as "empty language", in which case you're effectively saying "they're all scammers and mass migrating here to steal our jobs". I'll assume you meant the first, but with loads of flagged comments in the queue and many people who do genuinely mean that sort of thing, it's easy for moderators to misinterpret things.

I once called out a blatantly racist post and used "the n-word" while doing so. Admittedly not my finest moment, but I was fed up (the content was something along the lines of "I think this is called ethnic cleaning. Why don't you just admit they're all n----s to you?")

I got banned for my "racism". For calling out racism. The racist post that called for ethnic cleaning was left standing as that was lengthy and used polite language.

For the hasty moderator with tons of flagged comments: one is a wall of text and scans okay, the other used a bad word so could perhaps be racist. 537 more flagged comments in the queue. Ban. Next. It is what it is.

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26. apwell23 ◴[] No.44516333{6}[source]
yea that makes sense. btw, i appealed the ban and they reviewed it again and ban stands.

Never went back to reddit again. even blocked it on /etc/hosts

I am not sure about why comment here was flagged and ppl saying "you deserve ban". So I guess everyone is assuming "empty language" .

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27. fourseventy ◴[] No.44516375[source]
Nowadays Reddit is a far left echo chamber that will downvote you into oblivion for voicing an opinion as controversial as "men can't get pregnant"
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28. Lu2025 ◴[] No.44516389{3}[source]
> started referring to salaries as crore, relationship advice would reference Indian actors

Crore is a funny word, I should use it more often. English is an international language now and no country has a monopoly. We should take contributions from everyone.

29. Lu2025 ◴[] No.44516423{6}[source]
Boomers got weirdly defensive these days. It's no more derogatory than a Millennial is.
30. latency-guy2 ◴[] No.44516424{6}[source]
If you went to a website that consisted of roughly within 2 standard deviation population representative of multiple sides, then maybe you would have a point.

But this is reddit. It is not a population consisting of anywhere near that generous 2 standard deviations.

You know precisely what you're doing and you know you're being dishonest.

Tell me, a website that is not wholly owned and operated by shills on the left would respond with the state of /r/pics any day of the week, and exclaim that is entirely organic behavior, let alone consisting of representative population of the real world USA.

We can go blow for blow in any large sub. In fact, tell me why /r/Idaho, a state that has consistently voted red for decades somehow has "organically" resulted in posts entirely consisting of run-of-the-mill liberal posts? What of /r/Texas which is the same story and out of the question not a liberal stronghold that it presents itself to be.

You can pull the wool over your eyes all day, don't expect anyone else in the world to believe your bullshit.

31. bnralt ◴[] No.44516451{3}[source]
Right, Reddit banned any sub that disagreed with the progressive positions on Transgender issues, any mainstream subs would ban users for disagreeing with those positions, and heterodox subs were warned not to discuss them or else they could be banned. For instance, here's the Moderate Politics sub discussion on why they banned transgender topics[1]:

> The first of these banned topics: gender identity, the transgender experience, and the laws that may affect these topics.

> Please note that we do not make this decision lightly, nor was the Mod Team unanimous in this path forward. Over the past week, the Mod Team has tried on several occasions to receive clarification from the Admins on how to best facilitate civil discourse around these topics. There responses only left us more confused, but the takeaway was clear: any discussion critical of these topics may result in action against you by the Admins.

Also mod efforts to enforce an ideological view across the entire site. For instance, in the run up to the 2020 election, mods on the boardgame sub started going through the history of users and would ban anyone who voted for Trump.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/mkxcc0/st...

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32. saagarjha ◴[] No.44516503{3}[source]
You've gotten downvoted here for saying the exact same thing. Maybe you should improve your opinions?
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33. saagarjha ◴[] No.44516520{7}[source]
Yes. If you don't want to be perceived that way, prefix your comment with clarification that it's not actually your opinion.
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34. numpad0 ◴[] No.44516527{6}[source]
There are no "pro child porn sub" on Reddit anymore. Nowadays the threshold of is at screenshots and artworks of Asian games - you could get banned for posting top 10 contents on App Store. There are barely patches of green parts on the frog, and it is no longer beating.

There are also hardly concept of subreddits. Subreddits seemed to have completely homogenized. It's more of hashtags now, with so many obviously in-organic posts likely written by minimally trained call center type personnel, obviously quoting prefabricated scripts, everywhere. There are typos, "I'm on phone" remarks, bad punctuation, or honest misunderstandings are few and far between.

What I don't understand about it, though, is why. Reddit is supposed to be a social media with massive MAUs. Why can't they just let it run itself.

35. arp242 ◴[] No.44516576{7}[source]
> I am not sure about why comment here was flagged and ppl saying "you deserve ban". So I guess everyone is assuming "empty language" .

Yes, without the clarification of "i am indian too. It was in /r/askindians", it looked kind of racist here too. On these types of topics, you do need to spend a little bit of effort making sure your intent is communicated clearly, because for every well-intentioned person there's another actual racist troll.

36. numpad0 ◴[] No.44516608[source]
OT but why isn't longnow format LSB(LS Digit) first? 8102, 2102, etc. The problem is that years as variables are often processed as left aligned fixed length MSB first, so it's hard to make year processing code robust over wide ranges of time. If it had been LSB/LSD first, overflow checks can be just a truncation.

8102 and 2102 clearly belong to same age, 5491 and 8391 are more far apart but it's visually apparent that they share two LSDs, and a C program that displays rate of return of a 01-year bond will only have to care at most "654" part of year 654321 entered by user.

"02012" is more perplexing and it can be longer by whole 16 bits[than regular notation] or so[on some systems].

edit: edited for basic clarity

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37. tbrownaw ◴[] No.44516618{6}[source]
It's also that even engaging with ("platforming" or "amplifying") wrongthink makes you guilty by association. If someone's feeling talkative and generous you might even get the "tolerating intolerance" speech.
38. apwell23 ◴[] No.44516625{8}[source]
even if its not my opinion. Is it really something Reddit should permanently ban me for?
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39. kragen ◴[] No.44516653{3}[source]
;)
40. doitformango ◴[] No.44516671[source]
"a large diversity in opinions on Reddit that are not hard to find."

I think you forgot the /s. Plus reddit is mostly bots now driving engagement, with AI slop splattered everywhere. It went from bad to worse in just a few years. I scan the homepage without an account every now and then and it's awful.

41. saagarjha ◴[] No.44516685{9}[source]
The point is that they did think it was your opinion.
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42. gsky ◴[] No.44518057{3}[source]
by your logic Americans using millions is also a problem. Remember number system came from India. you cant tell them to change it for your convenience
43. saagarjha ◴[] No.44519298{5}[source]
Nobody is making you say anything. You can just keep quiet.
44. swarnie ◴[] No.44519399{6}[source]
No that isn't my argument.
45. fourseventy ◴[] No.44520743{4}[source]
So your opinion is that men can get pregnant?
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46. fkyoureadthedoc ◴[] No.44521682{4}[source]
But subreddits are free, and unlimited. You can make one yourself if you don't like how another one is moderated. People that like your approach can gather there. Of course that takes effort and is not easy, but Reddit itself (for the most part) is not banning you or your sub if you want to make a right wing house plant subreddit. If you want to make a pro Luigi anti transgender house plant subreddit, it probably gets banned.

Leftist subreddits also get banned for breaking site wide rules. The /r/chapotraphouse subreddit got banned in 2020, for example.

Reddit is best experienced in general by ignoring default subs and finding smaller ones that are relevant to your interests.

Moderating a large sub is hard. The scale is just too big, and it's individual volunteers doing it.

47. fkyoureadthedoc ◴[] No.44522374{5}[source]
Most people aren't interested in just talking past each other or responding to people saying something to get a rise.

What you're trying to say here is that you disagree with having a distinction between sex and gender identity, but you're doing it in a purposefully obtuse and inflammatory way. That indicates to me that you're not really interested in having a conversation. You're likely seeking downvotes and bans to justify your own bias.

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48. latency-guy2 ◴[] No.44526533{6}[source]
This is so uninteresting considering the comments that you passed over from the other user:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510731#44516503

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510731#44519298

No, I imagine you don't see the blatant disregard. Maybe sagaar is a genuine representation of this community, and as are you. Entirely inflammatory people who seek to poison the well and act like they're not doing it.

49. apwell23 ◴[] No.44527926{10}[source]
Thats just crazy to me though. meanwhile youtube allows this kind of stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZlPv1Od6wk