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Plants monitor the integrity of their barrier by sensing gas diffusion

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73 points Bluestein | 1 comments | 05 Jul 25 13:18 UTC | HN request time: 0.194s | source
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spacephysics ◴[08 Jul 25 21:55 UTC] No.44504416[source]▶
At what point will we see that plants are conscious, just in a different manner than animals colloquially?
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csomar ◴[09 Jul 25 06:46 UTC] No.44506981[source]▶
There is no consciousness - just varying levels of complexity in how organisms respond. Bacteria have basic and predictable responses, plants have more sophisticated ones, animals are even more complex, and humans can formulate elaborate schemes like this very message.
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cookiengineer ◴[09 Jul 25 07:16 UTC] No.44507126[source]▶
How do you explain dreaming animals then?

Isn't the capability of dreaming and simulating situations in your head the definition of consciousness?

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1. ACCount36 ◴[09 Jul 25 07:20 UTC] No.44507146[source]▶
Nah, the "definition of consciousness" is nine circles of philosophical bullshit where no one can agree upon the exacts.

Plenty of AIs are capable of something very much alike to "dreaming and simulating situations in your head" too. Humans really hate the idea of AIs being conscious, so surely that means dreaming can't be in any way important for determining whether something is conscious or not.