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Plants monitor the integrity of their barrier by sensing gas diffusion

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75 points Bluestein | 2 comments | 05 Jul 25 13:18 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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spacephysics ◴[08 Jul 25 21:55 UTC] No.44504416[source]▶
At what point will we see that plants are conscious, just in a different manner than animals colloquially?
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bullfightonmars ◴[08 Jul 25 22:01 UTC] No.44504454[source]▶
Stimulus-response is not consciousness. There is nothing subjective about this mechanical and chemical response to injury.
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londons_explore ◴[08 Jul 25 22:14 UTC] No.44504520[source]▶
Science hasn't really understood consciousness.

If you don't understand consciousness, how to make it from first principles and how it works, then I don't think you can confidently say "this isn't conscious" about much.

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hombre_fatal ◴[08 Jul 25 22:34 UTC] No.44504651[source]▶
We can explain plant behavior through known physical processes though.

We don't need to lean on consciousness nor other mysteries at all. Nor we do have to when a rock changes color as it gets wet.

And without this parsimony, then we could claim that any unexplained mystery underlies any well-understood phenomenon which doesn't sound like much of an epistemic standard.

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Etheryte ◴[08 Jul 25 22:43 UTC] No.44504705{3}[source]▶
You could just as well make the same argument about human behavior in a broad perspective. Not understanding every minute interaction in our brain is a fairly secondary point when the overarching themes are all the same.
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1. justonceokay ◴[08 Jul 25 23:00 UTC] No.44504785{4}[source]▶
To your point, we have a great understanding of human/mammalian injury and injury recovery. We know what proteins and structures cause blood clots and we can even manipulate them to help peoples blood clot better. We know about nerves and reflexes and nociceptors.

But if I cut myself, no amount of science can currently assess how much pain I feel or how much it bothers me.

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2. toast0 ◴[09 Jul 25 01:57 UTC] No.44505664[source]▶
> But if I cut myself, no amount of science can currently assess how much pain I feel or how much it bothers me.

The same for a plant; if you cut it, science won't tell you how much pain it feels, or how much it's bothered by your act of violence.