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cs702 ◴[] No.44483909[source]
According to Indian regulators, every trading day Jane Street would:

1) buy large volumes of stocks and/or stock futures that are part of an index tracking India’s banking sector, early in the day,

2) subsequently place large options trades, betting that the index would decline or volatility would spike later in the day, and

3) later in the day, cash out of the large long positions, dragging the index lower, making far more money on the options trades than on the long positions.

Jane Street can and likely will claim the firm was only arbitraging away pricing inefficiencies, nothing more, nothing less. It was just business as usual, etc., etc.

However, given the scale of the operation, Jane Street's actions sure look like textbook market manipulation. Calling it like I see it.

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helsinkiandrew ◴[] No.44497566[source]
Bloombergs Matt Levine does a good analysis of this and comes to the conclusion that the example the SEBI gives looks a lot more like arbitrage than manipulation. They were selling zero day options to customers and hedging with the underlying stock, which reduced the cost of the options to customers (whilst making a ton of money).

> The difference can be subtle, and I often joke that the difference between legitimate trading and manipulation is whether you send your colleagues an email saying “lol I sure manipulated that market.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2025-07-07/jan... (https://archive.ph/20250708012725/https://www.bloomberg.com/...)

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cs702 ◴[] No.44499270[source]
Thank you for sharing this. Levine is usually pretty accurate about this stuff. I've changed my mind. See my updated response here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44499330
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bwfan123 ◴[] No.44500519[source]
I am not so sure, since the article does not explain the biggest source of profits which is the put-options that were "bought" by jane street ! It only talks about options that were "sold".
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1. cs702 ◴[] No.44502293[source]
Maybe. I'm no longer so sure.