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The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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451 points imartin2k | 2 comments | 06 Jul 25 06:19 UTC | HN request time: 0.676s | source
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daishi55 ◴[06 Jul 25 10:53 UTC] No.44479578[source]▶
ChatGPT is the 5th most-visited website on the planet and growing quickly. that’s one of many popular products. Hardly call that unwilling. I bet only something like 8% of Instagram users say they would pay for it. Are we to take this to mean that Instagram is an unpopular product that is rbi g forced on an unwilling public?
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satyrun ◴[06 Jul 25 11:51 UTC] No.44479913[source]▶
My 75 year old father uses Claude instead of google now for basically any search function.

All the anti-AI people I know are in their 30s. I think there are many in this age group that got use to nothing changing and are wishing it to stay that way.

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ruszki ◴[06 Jul 25 17:43 UTC] No.44482639[source]▶
Nothing changing? For people who are in their 30s? Do you mean internet, mobile phones, smart phones, Google, Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Reddit were already widespread in mid 90s?

Or are they the only ones who understand that the rate of real information/(spam+disinformation+misinformation+lies) is worse than ever? And that in the past 2 years, this was thanks to AI, and people who never check what garbage AI spew out? And only they are who cares to not consume the shit? Because clearly above 50, most of them were completely fine with it for decades now. Do you say that below 30 most of the people are fine to consume garbage? I mean, seeing how many young people started to deny Holocaust, I can imagine it, but I would like some hard data, and not just some AI level guesswork.

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atemerev ◴[06 Jul 25 18:07 UTC] No.44482783[source]▶
In mid-90s, people who are now in their 30s were about 5 years old. Their formative age was from 2005 to 2015, and yes, things were staying relatively the same during this time.
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ruszki ◴[06 Jul 25 19:54 UTC] No.44483520[source]▶
Smart phones? Mobile internet? Streaming? Steam? Almost none of these were used, or very-very few people in 2005, if they existed at all. The internet of 2005 was completely different than 2015. But heck even in real life. My home country’s weather was very different in 2005 than 10 years later. Cheap flight tickets started to change our travelling pattern completely. Even my parents started to not watch TV before 2015. We had 3 TVs in 2005 in a home. In 2015 the same family had 1 in 3 different flats. And that was used rarely. Very rarely. The consumption of news changed completely.

So what are you talking about?

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atemerev ◴[07 Jul 25 11:33 UTC] No.44489189[source]▶
I got my first smartphone in 2004, in 2007 there was already iPhone and everyone was on Facebook.

All these things you mention are completely minor compared to the seismic changes in 1995-2001 and 2016-2025.

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ruszki ◴[07 Jul 25 11:55 UTC] No.44489383[source]▶
Give me examples. Also the way you use smartphone was used only by marketing people, and it was not widespread usage at all before iPhone, also the first “smartphone” by marketing people came before your timeline.
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1. atemerev ◴[08 Jul 25 05:20 UTC] No.44497325[source]▶
The smartphone in question was Palm Tungsten W, the messengers were working great. There was also Nokia 9000 series, but it was more bulky. And Windows CE, of course.

I agree that iPhone was revolutionary, but it was released back in 2007, well within the timeline.

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2. ruszki ◴[08 Jul 25 06:35 UTC] No.44497647[source]▶
Which timeline? You said that things stayed relatively the same between 2005 and 2015. Then that change was way more between 1995 and 2001, and 2017 and 2025. Then said that iPhone is in the timeline of between 1995 and 2001, or 2017 and 2025, and it was released in 2007. So it’s clearly not in your timeline, and it’s ridiculous that I need to explain this this detailed, that no, your timeline and your dates don’t line up at all. Also give me examples for what you mean larger changes between 1995 and 2001, and 2017 and 2025 for the general populace. That’s because I did everything what I can do now with a smartphone on my dumb phone in 2002, doesn’t mean that people’s life was changed that much, especially that nobody thought that I’m continuously online in 2001, for example.

Also once again, the general populace didn’t call, and doesn’t call those smartphones. I had a P900, and exactly zero people used the word “smartphone” back then, except marketing people. You remember terribly wrong, if you think otherwise. Also smartphone penetration skyrocketed not in 2007, but between 2013 and 2015. In 2010-2011, I was still considered early adopter. In 2015, half of internet users came from a phone. So no, that change didn’t happen before 2005, no matter how you want to distort reality.