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ramon156 ◴[] No.44488798[source]
Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books. I'm not saying this is justified, but what would you have done in their situation?

Sayi "they have the money" is not an argument. It's about the amount of effort that is needed to individually buy, scan, process millions of pages. If that's done for you, why re-do it all?

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TimorousBestie ◴[] No.44488878[source]
150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement (which this is).

105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper.

Of course they’re not going to be charged to the fullest extent of the law, they’re not a teenager running Napster in the early 2000s.

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1. dragonwriter ◴[] No.44493244[source]
> 150K per work is the maximum fine for willful infringement

No, its not.

It's the maximum statutory damages for willful infringement, which this has not be adjudicated to be. it is not a fine, its an alternative to basis of recovery to actual damages + infringers profits attributable to the infringement.

Of course, there's also a very wide range of statutory damages, the minimum (if it is not "innocent" infringement) is $750/work.

> 105B+ is more than Anthropic is worth on paper.

The actual amount of 7 million works times $150,000/work is $1.05 trillion, not $105 billion.

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2. TimorousBestie ◴[] No.44493412[source]
> It's the maximum statutory damages for willful infringement, which this has not be adjudicated to be. it is not a fine, its an alternative to basis of recovery to actual damages + infringers profits attributable to the infringement.

Yeah, you’re probably right, I’m not a lawyer. The point is that it doesn’t matter what number the law says they should pay, Anthropic can afford real lawyers and will therefore only pay a pittance, if anything.

I’m old enough to remember what the feds did to Aaron Schwarz, and I don’t see what Anthropic did that was so different, ethically speaking.