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ramon156 ◴[] No.44488798[source]
Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books. I'm not saying this is justified, but what would you have done in their situation?

Sayi "they have the money" is not an argument. It's about the amount of effort that is needed to individually buy, scan, process millions of pages. If that's done for you, why re-do it all?

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pyman ◴[] No.44488900[source]
The problem with this thinking is that hundreds of thousands of teachers who spent years writing great, useful books and sharing knowledge and wisdom probably won't sue a billion dollar company for stealing their work. What they'll likely do is stop writing altogether.

I'm against Anthropic stealing teacher's work and discouraging them from ever writing again. Some teachers are already saying this (though probably not in California).

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1. NoMoreNicksLeft ◴[] No.44491995[source]
Stealing? In what way?

Training a generative model on a book is the mechanical equivalent of having a human read the book and learn from it. Is it stealing if a person reads the book and learns from it?

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2. blocko ◴[] No.44493226[source]
Depends on how closely that person can reproduce the original work without license or attribution
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3. lcnPylGDnU4H9OF ◴[] No.44493472[source]
It actually depends on whether or not they reproduce it and especially what they do with the copy after making it.
4. janalsncm ◴[] No.44496020[source]
> In what way?

Downloading the book without paying for it, which is more or less what the judge said.

5. coffeefirst ◴[] No.44496171[source]
But a language model is not a person, it’s a copy machine with a blender inside.

Photocopying books in their entirety for commercial use is absolutely illegal.