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cs702 ◴[] No.44483909[source]
According to Indian regulators, every trading day Jane Street would:

1) buy large volumes of stocks and/or stock futures that are part of an index tracking India’s banking sector, early in the day,

2) subsequently place large options trades, betting that the index would decline or volatility would spike later in the day, and

3) later in the day, cash out of the large long positions, dragging the index lower, making far more money on the options trades than on the long positions.

Jane Street can and likely will claim the firm was only arbitraging away pricing inefficiencies, nothing more, nothing less. It was just business as usual, etc., etc.

However, given the scale of the operation, Jane Street's actions sure look like textbook market manipulation. Calling it like I see it.

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olalonde ◴[] No.44485830[source]
I never quite understood why market manipulation is illegal. If market participants make emotional or irrational decisions detached from fundamentals, it should be on them.
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f33d5173 ◴[] No.44486002[source]
While markets are used as a form of gambling, they also have a prosocial purpose, namely to allocate capital which improves the economy and society at large. Market manipulation increases market volatility and hence hurts efficient capital allocation, without some other benefit for the market. Besides that, it requires large amounts of capital to do, and hence can be effectively regulated.
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olalonde ◴[] No.44486141[source]
Most of the stock market activity is secondary trading, which has little to do with allocating capital. Trading existing shares just redistributes ownership.
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mlrtime ◴[] No.44489153[source]
Secondary trading enables risk transfer, which is important for allocating capital.

Your first sentence is somewhat accurate, your second is not at all, specifically "just".

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1. olalonde ◴[] No.44491591[source]
I didn't say stock markets don't serve a useful purpose. Regardless, my original point is simply that traders should focus on fundamental value, not try to guess what others are thinking. If they choose to play that game and get burned, that should be on them. There's no real necessity to regulate "market manipulation".