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raspasov ◴[] No.44485275[source]
Anyone who claims that a poorly definined concept, AGI, is right around the corner is most likely:

- trying to sell something

- high on their own stories

- high on exogenous compounds

- all of the above

LLMs are good at language. They are OK summarizers of text by design but not good at logic. Very poor at spatial reasoning and as a result poor at connecting concepts together.

Just ask any of the crown jewel LLM models "What's the biggest unsolved problem in the [insert any] field".

The usual result is a pop-science-level article but with ton of subtle yet critical mistakes! Even worse, the answer sounds profound on the surface. In reality, it's just crap.

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0x20cowboy ◴[] No.44486682[source]
LLM are a compressed version of their training dataset with a text based interactive search function.
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echelon ◴[] No.44487057[source]
LLMs are useful in that respect. As are media diffusion models. They've compressed the physics of light, the rules of composition, the structure of prose, the knowledge of the internet, etc. and made it infinitely remixable and accessible to laypersons.

AGI, on the other hand, should really stand for Aspirationally Grifting Investors.

Superintelligence is not around the corner. OpenAI knows this and is trying to become a hyperscaler / Mag7 company with the foothold they've established and the capital that they've raised. Despite that, they need a tremendous amount of additional capital to will themselves into becoming the next new Google. The best way to do that is to sell the idea of superintelligence.

AGI is a grift. We don't even have a definition for it.

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1. vrighter ◴[] No.44489791[source]
I hate the "accessible to the layperson" argument.

People who couldn't do art before, still can't do art. Asking someone, or something else, to make a picture for you does not mean you created it.

And art was already accessible to anyone. If you couldn't draw something (because you never invested the time to learn the skill), then you could still pay someone else to paint it for you. We didn't call "commissioning a painting" as "being an artist", so what's different about "commissioning a painting from a robot?"

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2. echelon ◴[] No.44492736[source]
> I hate the "accessible to the layperson" argument.

Accessible to a layperson also means lowering the gradient slope of learning.

Millions of people who would have never rented a camera from a rental house are now trying to work with these tools.

Those publishing "slop" on TikTok are learning the Hero's Journey and narrative structure. They're getting schooled on the 180-degree rule. They're figuring out how to tell stories.

> People who couldn't do art before, still can't do art. Asking someone, or something else, to make a picture for you does not mean you created it.

Speak for yourself.

I'm not an illustrator, but I'm a filmmaker in the photons-on-glass sense. Now I can use image and video models to make animation.

I agree that your average Joe isn't going to be able to make a Scorsese-inspired flick, but I know what I'm doing. And for me, these tools open an entire new universe.

Something like this still takes an entire week of work, even when using AI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAAiiKteM-U

There's lots of editing, rotoscoping, compositing, grading, etc. and the AI models themselves are INSANELY finicky and take a lot of work to finesse.

But it would take months of work if you were posing the miniatures yourself.

With all the thought and intention and work that goes into something like this, would you still say it "does not mean you created it"? Do you still think this hasn't democratized access to a new form of expression for non-animators?

AI is a creative set of tools that make creation easier, faster, more approachable, and more affordable. They're accessible enough that every kid hustling on YouTube and TikTok can now supercharge their work. And they're going to have to use these tools to even stay treading water amongst their peers, because if they don't use them, their competition (for time and attention) will.