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A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs

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mewpmewp2 ◴[] No.44485205[source]
My question: how do we know that this is not similar to how human brains work. What seems intuitively logical to me is that we have brains evolved through evolutionary process via random mutations yielding in a structure that has its own evolutionary reward based algorithms designing it yielding a structure that at any point is trying to predict next actions to maximise survival/procreation, of course with a lot of sub goals in between, ultimately becoming this very complex machinery, but yet should be easily simulated if there was enough compute in theory and physical constraints would allow for it.

Because, morals, values, consciousness etc could just be subgoals that arised through evolution because they support the main goals of survival and procreation.

And if it is baffling to think that a system could rise up, how do you think it is possible life and humans came to existence in the first place? How could it be possible? It is already happened from a far unlikelier and strange place. And wouldn't you think the whole World and the timeline in theory couldn't be represented as a deterministic function. And if not then why should "randomness" or anything else bring life to existence.

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1. ants_everywhere ◴[] No.44485240[source]
> My question: how do we know that this is not similar to how human brains work.

It is similar to how human brains operate. LLMs are the (current) culmination of at least 80 years of research on building computational models of the human brain.

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2. seadan83 ◴[] No.44487857[source]
> It is similar to how human brains operate.

Is it? Do we know how human brains operate? We know the basic architecture of them, so we have a map, but we don't know the details.

"The cellular biology of brains is relatively well-understood, but neuroscientists have not yet generated a theory explaining how brains work. Explanations of how neurons collectively operate to produce what brains can do are tentative and incomplete." [1]

"Despite a century of anatomical, physiological, and molecular biological efforts scientists do not know how neurons by their collective interactions produce percepts, thoughts, memories, and behavior. Scientists do not know and have no theories explaining how brains and central nervous systems work." [1]

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10585277/

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3. suddenlybananas ◴[] No.44488009[source]
It really is not. ANNs bear only a passing resemblance to how neurons work.
4. Timwi ◴[] No.44488447[source]
> > It is similar to how human brains operate.

> Is it?

This is just a semantic debate on what counts as “similar”. It's possible to disagree on this point despite agreeing on everything relating to how LLMs and human brains work.

5. ants_everywhere ◴[] No.44490070[source]
The part I was referring to is captured in

"The cellular biology of brains is relatively well-understood"

Fundamentally, brains are not doing something different in kind from ANNs. They're basically layers of neural networks stacked together in certain ways.

What we don't know are things like (1) how exactly are the layers stacked together, (2) how are the sensors (like photo receptors, auditory receptors, etc) hooked up?, (3) how do the different parts of the brain interact?, (4) for that matter what do the different parts of the brain actually do?, (5) how do chemical signals like neurotransmitters convey information or behavior?

In the analogy between brains and artificial neural networks, these sorts of questions might be of huge importance to people building AI systems, but they'd be of only minor importance to users of AI systems. OpenAI and Google can change details about how their various transformer layers and ANN layers are connected. The result may be improved products, but they won't be doing anything different from what AIs are doing now in terms the author of this article is concerned about.

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6. suddenlybananas ◴[] No.44494549{3}[source]
ANNs don't have action potentials, let alone neurotransmitters.
7. pepa65 ◴[] No.44496588[source]
Sorry, that's just complete bullshit. How LLMs work in no way models how processes in the human brain works.