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521 points bwfan123 | 2 comments | 06 Jul 25 14:03 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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bwfan123 ◴[06 Jul 25 14:03 UTC] No.44480917[source]▶
I am shocked by the size of the retail index options traders. They are selling put options naked without any underlying hedges and getting fleeced as a result.

Two strategies are detailed with trades: 1) expiry day price discrepancies between index options and underlying 2) expiry day painting the close

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sokoloff ◴[06 Jul 25 21:21 UTC] No.44484156[source]▶
Selling naked puts doesn’t seem particularly outrageous. About half the time that I want to buy a position, I’ll sell a series of put options just OoM until I get assigned the shares I want, collecting small premium along the way.

My “hedge” in this case is that I want to own the shares. (I’m short vs where I want to be.)

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1. Fade_Dance ◴[06 Jul 25 22:11 UTC] No.44484555[source]▶
Futures index option traders are not looking to get assigned a basket of hundreds of stocks. They are cash settled, for one, so all that gets assigned is a profit or loss.
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2. Shocka1 ◴[16 Jul 25 14:41 UTC] No.44582863[source]▶
Your comment leaves out some key details that need mentioned as not to confuse anyone. I'd like to clarify that this is true for a future alone (if cash settled), but not a futures option.

Selling one futures option and having it expire ITM simply gives the trader a one contract long position in the underlying future contract. OTM is full collection of the premium sold as usual. I've done both many times over the years. One legit strategy is selling a futures option with the intent to be long the contract, just like someone would do with selling an equity put option with intent to own 100 shares.

You can most definitely do this as a retail trader and do extremely well in many cases, but it's also very easy to go to $0 and is not for the light hearted.