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Techno-feudalism and the rise of AGI: A future without economic rights?

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207 points lexandstuff | 1 comments | 05 Jul 25 21:19 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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smitty1e ◴[06 Jul 25 00:27 UTC] No.44476698[source]▶
> This paper calls for a redefined economic framework that ensures AGI-driven prosperity is equitably distributed through mechanisms such as universal AI dividends, progressive taxation, and decentralized governance.

Sincerely curious if there are working historical analogues of these approaches.

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tehjoker ◴[06 Jul 25 00:42 UTC] No.44476767[source]▶
Communism with "cybernetics" (computer driven economic planning) is the appropriate model if you take this to the logical conclusion. Fortunately, much of our economy is already planned this way (consider banks, amazon, walmart, shipping, etc.), it's just controlled for the benefit a small elite.

You have to ask, if we have AGI that's smarter than humans helping us plan the economy, why do we need an upper class? Aren't they completely superfluous?

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yupitsme123 ◴[06 Jul 25 01:03 UTC] No.44476871[source]▶
Sure, maybe the Grand Algorithm could do what the market currently does and decide how to distribute surplus wealth. It could decide how much money you deserve each month, how big of a house, how desirable of a partner. But it still needs values to guide it. Is the idea for everyone to be equal? Are certain kinds of people supposed to have less than others? Should people have one spouse or several?

Historically the elites aren't just those who have lots of money or property. They're also those who get to decide and enforce the rules for society.

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1. tehjoker ◴[06 Jul 25 02:22 UTC] No.44477293[source]▶
The computers serve us, we wouldn't completely give up control, that's not freedom either, that's slavery to a machine instead of a man. We would have more democratic control of society by the masses instead of the managed bourgeois democracy we have now.

It's not necessary for everyone to be exactly equal, it is necessary for inequalities to be seen as legitimate (meaning the person getting more is performing what is obviously a service to society). Legislators should be limited to the average working man's wage. Democratic consultations should happen in workplaces, in schools, all the way up the chain not just in elections. We have the forms of this right now, but basically the people get ignored at each step because legislators serve the interests of the propertied.