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mattlondon ◴[] No.44467062[source]
Maybe that guy who was digging up a landfill to find his old HDD finally found it!

Seriously though, what are the odds that someone has been quietly spending 10s/100s of millions in cloud compute to brute force the keys for old wallets?

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throw310822 ◴[] No.44467396[source]
> what are the odds that someone has been quietly spending 10s/100s of millions in cloud compute to brute force the keys for old wallets?

Even if that were possible, you could brute force one wallet. Not eight wallets closely related to each other.

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Scoundreller ◴[] No.44468059[source]
Keys created with an RNG that turned out to be a little too predictable?

Or some other flaw found in a wallet’s key generation?

Kinda like what happened here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6195493

(Or exactly that but nobody tried to attack this again with moar power?)

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pyman ◴[] No.44468461[source]
One of my students believes Elon Musk and Peter Thiel created Bitcoin. Here's the summary of the 5 page doc he presented:

In 2000, according to Peter Thiel, he met with the E-Gold team in Anguilla.

Around 2001, Elon and Peter were at PayPal, and they had plans to build a similar digital currency.

In 2002, PayPal was sold, and that pretty much ended the digital currency plan. Instead, PayPal let users link their bank accounts and cards to make payments. This created a bigger dependency on banks.

By 2004, there were over a million E‑Gold accounts. Banks weren’t happy about it. Meanwhile, Elon and Peter understood exactly how much potential this new kind of digital currency had.

In 2007, the banks took the founders of E-Gold to court for running an unlicensed money‑transmitting business. That same year, the E-Gold engineers were out of work.

Bitcoin was invented in 2008, the same year Elon was broke and busy trying to save both SpaceX and Tesla from going bankrupt.

His theory is that Elon and Peter hired the smartest engineers from the E-Gold team and asked them to build blockchain so they could create their own version of E-Gold. The team worked on Bitcoin from 2007 to 2010 under the alias of Nakamoto.

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FireBeyond ◴[] No.44469049[source]
> Around 2001, Elon and Peter were at PayPal, and they had plans to build a similar digital currency.

> In 2002, PayPal was sold, and that pretty much ended the digital currency plan. Instead, PayPal let users link their bank accounts and cards to make payments. This created a bigger dependency on banks.

This doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Except PayPal wasn't invented by Elon or Peter. It was Elon's company's plan to build the digital bank but they were failing quite spectacularly at it.

They merged with Confinity who'd already built PayPal, had a working prototype, etc.

Elon lasted four months as CEO of PayPal, trying to convert it from Java to ASP until the Board didn't ask him to resign, but fired him, the morning he left on his honeymoon after getting married.

PayPal is a complete red herring there. Elon had no participation in ideas on digital currency there.

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pyman ◴[] No.44470995[source]
So you are contradicting what Luke Nosek, the co-founder of PayPal, said?

Luke: "Many people don’t know this, but the initial mission of PayPal was to create a global currency that was independent of interference by these, you know, corrupt cartels of banks and governments that were debasing their currencies.”

Why should we believe you and not the person who created PayPal?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paypal-originally-aimed-creat...

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FireBeyond ◴[] No.44473877[source]
Uhhh... nothing I said contradicts Luke Nosek.

Elon was working on a digital bank, not a global currency. His company was failing miserably.

Confinity, who made PayPal, and had a first version working, merged with them.

Elon gets no credit for a 'global currency' idea (nor do I think he and Thiel invented Bitcoin[1]), because Confinity was already working on that idea when they merged and became PayPal properly, in the four months before he was ousted.

My argument was that Elon wasn't all about the global currency.

[1] And Elon definitely didn't invent BitCoin. His ego would never permit him to have kept that a secret for a month, let alone a decade plus.

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1. pyman ◴[] No.44475264[source]
Context matters.

The PayPal mafia (Musk, Nossk, Thiel, Levchin, Sacks, and the rest) spent years working closely, obsessing over banks, money, payments, and how to move value on the internet, questioning everything: What is money? Who controls it? How do you make it more efficient, global, and digital?