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me551ah ◴[] No.44470473[source]
I doubt if this will make much difference. Offshoring as a tactic emerged in the pandemic when companies realised that being “remote” works just as well.

Sure, foreign R&D still gets amortized over 15 years (NPV ≈59 % of a full write-off, so you “lose” ~8.6 % of your R&D spend in present-value terms, and only 6.7 % of the cost is deductible in year 1, creating a 19.6 % cash-tax gap). But offshore wages are often 50–70 % below U.S. rates:

• Even after the slower amortization drag, hiring at half the cost nets you ~30 % total savings on R&D headcount.

• On a pure cash basis you only need ~20 % lower wages to break even; most offshore markets easily exceed that.

• So the labor-cost arbitrage far outweighs the tax timing penalty unless your foreign salaries are less than ~20 % below U.S. levels.

In short: the 15-year amort rule hurts your tax deduction, but 50 %+ lower offshore wages more than make up for it.

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ozgrakkurt ◴[] No.44470673[source]
It is delusional to think you get same quality work for 70% less price.
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1. klabb3 ◴[] No.44471321[source]
If you work at FAANG and relocate from NYC/SF to a smaller satellite office within the US, you can take a large pay cut. Unless things have changed in the last few years, companies usually pay location-based market rate. The lines are blurred with remote work - which market are you really a part of? But there is nothing magical that separates within the US from outside.
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2. ozgrakkurt ◴[] No.44471590[source]
Top engineers move to best pay location. For example best engineers in europe etc. move to US or get similarly high salaries in Europe. And having more high talent people in a location creates a different culture.

There is ofc some difference but if you are taking averages you will have much better engineers in a company based in nyc vs berlin.

I’m not an expert but this has been very apparent in places I worked, US based companies just had a better work setup and everything moved faster and with higher quality.

As an example, just saying an engineer is quarter the price in Turkey so you can just outsource there is very foolish. It just doesn’t work that way, maybe in wet dreams of CEOs only.

Similar thing with LLMs, some people are salivating over how they won’t need developers but it just isn’t that way yet.

Seeing how hungry businesses are for outsourcing and hiring remote, and seeing how it isn’t really working that way should be concrete proof for this.