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me551ah ◴[] No.44470473[source]
I doubt if this will make much difference. Offshoring as a tactic emerged in the pandemic when companies realised that being “remote” works just as well.

Sure, foreign R&D still gets amortized over 15 years (NPV ≈59 % of a full write-off, so you “lose” ~8.6 % of your R&D spend in present-value terms, and only 6.7 % of the cost is deductible in year 1, creating a 19.6 % cash-tax gap). But offshore wages are often 50–70 % below U.S. rates:

• Even after the slower amortization drag, hiring at half the cost nets you ~30 % total savings on R&D headcount.

• On a pure cash basis you only need ~20 % lower wages to break even; most offshore markets easily exceed that.

• So the labor-cost arbitrage far outweighs the tax timing penalty unless your foreign salaries are less than ~20 % below U.S. levels.

In short: the 15-year amort rule hurts your tax deduction, but 50 %+ lower offshore wages more than make up for it.

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BobbyJo ◴[] No.44470502[source]
This ignores the other financial and non-financial costs of offshoring: legal, cultural, temporal... a lot of the time, those close the gap.

On paper, offshoring has made sense the entire time, and yet here we are in 2025 and companies still hire American devs. Not only that, they often fly in foreign devs just to pay them more here than if they had just offshored to their home country.

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__loam ◴[] No.44470525[source]
Yeah people have been offshoring then onshoring once they realize offshoring sucks since at least the 90s. I remember my dad, who was also a software dev, complaining about it 20 years ago. It always swings back. The network effect in huge hubs like SF and NYC is massive.
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1. BobbyJo ◴[] No.44470765[source]
100%. Most of the planet is cheaper than the US, and has been for decades. That being the case, how are there so many knowledge workers here still?
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2. Tade0 ◴[] No.44471204[source]
Hailing from an outsourcing destination I think I need to state the obvious: there exist IT jobs outside the US.

Americans have a... distinct work culture and companies - local and foreign - are not stupid, so nowadays they aim for the 50-75 percentile in terms of compensation.

On top of that you absolutely need to be fluent in English, which disqualifies half the candidates right off the bat.

All this combined makes it not obvious whether one would want to/could work for an American company - particularly if it's through various middlemen.

US used to be 100% worth it, but over the course of the last 25 years the ratio of GDPs per capita between USA and my country fell from 5.5 to around 3.75 and compensation naturally followed.

Lastly, the dollar fell 15% since the start of 2025 against my country's currency and that has had an effect on available openings.

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3. throwaway2037 ◴[] No.44471554[source]

    > Americans have a... distinct work culture
That is a mighty wide brush to paint your generalisation. Do Brazilians or South Africans or Sri Lankans also have "distinct work culture"? I assume yes. Not much being said there.

Another way to look at it: If your country was much richer than the US the model would be flipped. Do you think Americans would post a similar generalisation here? Yep. Not much being said.