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Major reversal in ocean circulation detected in the Southern Ocean

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480 points riffraff | 1 comments | 04 Jul 25 04:52 UTC | HN request time: 0.371s | source
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dang ◴[04 Jul 25 09:51 UTC] No.44463006[source]▶
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integricho ◴[04 Jul 25 05:08 UTC] No.44461280[source]▶
It does not sound like a subtle signal or warning about crossing a threshold, more like a we are already past the point of no return and now we can just sit back and watch as the apocalypse unfolds, first row seats for all recent generations.
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delusional ◴[04 Jul 25 05:12 UTC] No.44461302[source]▶
Climate advocates in general try to avoid implying that we've already crossed a threshold, as that breeds hopelessness.

They want decisive and ambitious action, you can't get that if we all turn to doomerism.

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1. briantakita ◴[04 Jul 25 09:42 UTC] No.44462945[source]▶
> They want decisive and ambitious action, you can't get that if we all turn to doomerism.

What if "doomerism" is a key component to demoralize people to accept "decisive and ambitious action"?

Note that most of the environmental policy talk is on a global level...blaming living people who aren't wealthy enough to benefit from financial capital. Making everyone who doesn't make their living off of financial assets have a worse quality of life...while those who benefit from financial assets even more wealthy.

Environmental policy talk is not on a local level. Never mind the water usage of the AI centers & how it affects communities. The farmers will have to sell their land so big capital to buy it on the cheap. The money pump always leads to accumulation of Capital.

It sure seems like the rhetoric goes one way. Making the rich richer...so they have all the carbon credits to do whatever they want...transcending the "tyranny of morality" while they fly in private jets to "save the climate". Making the working/middle-class poor..."you will own nothing & be happy". Making the poor radicalized & pointing their finger at each other.

This seems like a global scale psychological experiment more than anything. At some point the true believers in climate science will be disappointed by the contradictions of their heroes...because at the end of the day...it's about money & power. There is no "we". There is only "you will have to sacrifice so I can be more wealthy & hold more leverage over you".