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Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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593 points geox | 1 comments | 02 Jul 25 21:10 UTC | HN request time: 0.211s | source
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nektro ◴[03 Jul 25 00:14 UTC] No.44450235[source]▶
i think what contributes the most to my sense of dread is the feeling that if you were to tell these decision makers in govt right now "but this'll kill people!" they'd respond "good"
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jmholla ◴[03 Jul 25 00:33 UTC] No.44450356[source]▶
They don't care about people. Senator Joni Ernst when told that people would die due from the spending bill responded with, "Well, we are all going to die."
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bix6 ◴[03 Jul 25 01:49 UTC] No.44450845[source]▶
And then doubled down with a later Instagram post making fun of everyone. How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable.
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FergusArgyll ◴[03 Jul 25 12:47 UTC] No.44454461[source]▶
> How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable.

Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love.

I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug companies make enough money so even poor Africans can afford medicines and theraputics? Deregulate the solar industry? Reduce regulatory barriers for autonomous vehicles? Fast track nuclear power? Stop the fight against ride-sharing?

If the problem was climate change & it was a severe existential issue, I'd assume you'd support all of the above?

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triceratops ◴[03 Jul 25 17:19 UTC] No.44457250[source]▶
> the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism

I feel like that's something you want to believe so that you can dismiss legitimate concerns about environmental destruction.

Because that's like saying capitalists want to grow the economy faster to destroy the environment. Which is obviously crazy and untrue.

I love capitalism. I'm also deeply concerned the way it's run currently will destroy the world my children will inherit. These aren't contradictory ideas. Why can't we capitalism better?

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krapp ◴[03 Jul 25 17:34 UTC] No.44457375[source]▶
There is no other, better, more humane form of capitalism. Capitalism's only concern is the generation and control of capital by the capitalist class. It isn't that capitalists want to destroy the environment, it's that they don't care about the environment beyond it being a resource to be exploited and consumed. "Better capitalism" just means doing more of that exploitation faster and more efficiently.

I don't know what you love and call capitalism but I suspect you've been convinced that as a system it has some inherently moral dimension. It does not, and cannot. It's a paperclip maximizer, that's all.

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1. dragonwriter ◴[03 Jul 25 17:40 UTC] No.44457428[source]▶
Exactly. To the extent that a politico-economic system is concerned with anything other than how the capitalist class can maintain control of society through control of the means of production, it is not capitalism. Of course, platonically pure capitalism is rare, and even relatively pure capitalism is mostly a thing of the past since most of the places it was present replaced it with mixed economies in the mid-20th Century, but that's not "kinder capitalism", but simply less capitalism.