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potato-peeler ◴[] No.44453455[source]
Meta comment: have noticed some posts get flagged. Is it because they are political?
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1. IAmGraydon ◴[] No.44456551[source]
This really isn't the forum for political discussion, so many users here flag political posts. One the one hand, they're trying to keep intelligent discourse from devolving into flamewars, and I very much agree with that. On the other hand, sometimes I want to hear what the crowd here, who I view as far more intelligent than the average internet forum crowd, thinks about these political issues. So I see both sides. I think Dan G is doing a admirable job with riding the line as well as is possible.
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2. nozzlegear ◴[] No.44457785[source]
> One the one hand, they're trying to keep intelligent discourse from devolving into flamewars, and I very much agree with that. On the other hand, sometimes I want to hear what the crowd here, who I view as far more intelligent than the average internet forum crowd, thinks about these political issues.

Agree with you here. HN users can have some well thought-out and nuanced takes on political issues that span the political spectrum†, but the flamewars are often some of the worst I've seen as well. It's unfortunate because I can't think of anywhere on the internet that has better potential for reasoned political discourse. The only other place is Reddit, and the subreddits there are strictly echo chambers for your own preformed opinion.

† Funnily enough, I've seen flagged accusations that HN users are both too conservative and too liberal; too libertarian and too socialist.

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3. hayst4ck ◴[] No.44459756[source]
Neutrality is implicit support for whoever can muster the most power, neutrality is in many ways the opposite of law and betrays an ideology where there is no objective truth. When there is no objective truth, there is nothing to be curious about. When authortarians tell you what the truth is or rob you of the data to make your own assessments, curiosity becomes an act of rebellion.

I don't think HN mods operate as conservative or liberal (although curiosity is an extremely liberal cause), but I think they will come to understand the cost of neutrality.

If anything I think they have not fully confronted the paradox of intolerance or realized that the times are different than they were in the last 30 years of internet flame wars. In the past when Godwin's law and flame wars were the rule of every forum, there weren't historians at prestigious universities who studied the holocaust/fascism warning us that fascism is happening here in America right now.

4. johnnyanmac ◴[] No.44460114[source]
>they're trying to keep intelligent discourse from devolving into flamewars

It's very easy to have no flamewars if we don't talk about it at all. Technically correct, but I'm not a big fan of "O(1) performance!" achieved in such way. Optimization is about doing useful work, not avoiding it.

It's a real shame suppression is part of the strategy. Instead, encourage users to 1) be mindful in touchy topics and consider every little word in their post and 2) to ignore those who clearly aren't trying to facilitate a discussion.

> I think Dan G is doing a admirable job with riding the line as well as is possible.

Apathy is submitting in to the status quo. There are plenty of times where I disagree but can understand a status quo that does not benefit me.

This is not one of those times. This status quo is dangerous to everyone.

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5. hayst4ck ◴[] No.44460531[source]
Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.