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eastbound ◴[02 Jul 25 17:19 UTC] No.44446316[source]▶
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Moomoomoo309 ◴[02 Jul 25 17:28 UTC] No.44446460[source]▶
Do you think those opinions would have made it more difficult to work with certain employees at Mozilla based on certain protected traits in the law? If so, I think the donation is a red herring, it's the opinion itself that's the problem.

Firing people for their opinions is actually fine - if you believe that certain types of people don't deserve rights, for example, and your company has those types of people in it, that's a problem. Freedom of opinion is not guaranteed.

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waterhouse ◴[02 Jul 25 17:36 UTC] No.44446561[source]▶
Does this approach ultimately lead to the conclusion that people on different sides of the abortion issue can't work in the same company?
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1. const_cast ◴[02 Jul 25 19:52 UTC] No.44448071[source]▶
No, it means that those with unsavory opinions should understand it's in their best interest to keep quiet. It's always been the case that saying something offensive can get you fired. I mean, if I call my boss ugly I'm liable to get fired. And that's not even political.
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2. eastbound ◴[02 Jul 25 22:43 UTC] No.44449618[source]▶
It means Mozilla is unable to work with people who have other opinions.

I do not have an opinion on abortion, and I’d probably lean towards a yes. But Mozilla being capable of making it a problem out of someone’s history, 10 years earlier, a private donation, shows a major issue of intolerance.

The root cause: Mozilla turned woke, and did look into the past of each employee to fire them. The wokists see no problem with that, but for the rest of us, it’s the darkest time for intolerance.

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3. const_cast ◴[02 Jul 25 23:19 UTC] No.44449857[source]▶
Well there's multiple problems here, so one by one:

1. Mozilla didn't fire anyone. My understanding is they actually tried to keep him.

2. Public pressure, dollar voting, and boycotts is just the free market at work. The invisible hand is real but it seems to me as soon as the invisible hand starts pushing stuff we all get uncomfortable.

3. Nobody takes anyone seriously who says "woke". That word means absolutely nothing to anyone, it's just a dog whistle. A type of inverse virtue signal that you are not a serious person worth listening to.

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4. eastbound ◴[03 Jul 25 14:00 UTC] No.44455174{3}[source]▶
#3 is a perfect for the description of Mozilla’s standing. The fact that you decide to use this keyword as a sign that the argument is flawed is proof that the argument is correct with nothing of substance to criticize.

Mozilla decided to #2 appeal to those types of people, with various angles including “renewing the masculinity inside Mozilla”. It’s not public pressure, as the public went on for a backlash against wokism in the 2020 and later. Mozilla is in an ironic situation where it is now driven by those incompetent people, while the public moved on, and its values are not a value proposition anymore.

Especially the “We fire people who do not think like us” part. Let me tell you that the kind of public “We harass people into quitting” answers perfectly to #1 in my books.

Just be good. Just be good people! That’s all we ask!

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5. saubeidl ◴[03 Jul 25 14:33 UTC] No.44455477{4}[source]▶
Donating money to interfere in other people's lives and telling them who they can and can't marry is not being good.

Just let people live! Just be good!

6. waterhouse ◴[03 Jul 25 18:03 UTC] No.44457660{3}[source]▶
If you want a definition, a "woke" person is one who prioritizes waging identity-group conflict over other priorities. The more woke, the more things they sacrifice and trample upon to that end.