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t0lo ◴[] No.44439390[source]
As an australian citizen i'm all for it. Look at how the internet and social media has destroyed our current youth and their naivety and sense of emotional security. They all act like they're living in soviet russia at this point and have become so hard and jaded.

Better I give a little bit of pii than some kid grows up too early.

Would you be able to tell the difference if this policy came from a place of compassion?

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abtinf ◴[] No.44439429[source]
> They all act like they're living in soviet russia

Nothing says “not living in Soviet Russia” like having to show your papers to access information.

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jp0d ◴[] No.44439448[source]
what's the alternative? Is it really information or misinformation?
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frollogaston ◴[] No.44439481[source]
I remember when any anti-Iraq-invasion material was considered "misinformation" in the US. Wonder how it went in Australia, since they were also very involved.
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defrost ◴[] No.44439536[source]
My recollection of the time is that most citizens that paid attention and a majority of the politicians in the UK and AU were fully aware the "intel" was sketchy and the motivations impure .. the debate was less about the information quality and more about the obligation to partner with the US in the invasion.

The UK PM and the AU PM backed the US position and sent troops in (in the AU case they even sent in advance rangers | commandos | SASR to scout and call targets from ground) but they were both aware the "justification" and WMD claims were BS.

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dfxm12 ◴[] No.44439595[source]
So some government officials were probably in the pocket of Halliburton (i.e., just like the US government) while selling a weak justification to the public.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/halliburton-australia-p...

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1. defrost ◴[] No.44439805[source]
Such things play a part, of course, however at a nation level the first order consideration would have been ANZUS like defence agreements and a sense that ongoing regional support from the US rested on Australian support for the US, right or wrong.

Been ongoing for a while now: https://roncobb.net/img/cartoons/aus/k5092-on-Tucker_Box-cuu...

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2. marcus_holmes ◴[] No.44439905[source]
This. Whether the USA had a mandate to go into Iraq wouldn't have been questioned. Australia jumped in because we always jumps in to whatever bullshit war the USA dreams up. For some reason we see it as an obligation to support our allies in all their wars, even when we think their reasons are ridiculous and even when we know they won't support us in return.

This has lead to serious problems in the case of the Afghan war, where it was clear that this whole conflict had nothing to do with Australia, could not even vaguely be construed as "defence", achieved nothing, cost Australian lives, and was a completely fabricated mess that we got into for really bad reasons (I paraphrase). The SAS war crimes thing was a symptom of our unease at our involvement (imho) - we would not normally question the things that soldiers do in conflict, this was more a way of questioning why we were in the conflict in the first place.