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Tesla sales drop for fifth month in a row in Europe

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152 points doener | 1 comments | 29 Jun 25 21:50 UTC | HN request time: 0.207s | source
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mrtksn ◴[29 Jun 25 22:12 UTC] No.44416989[source]▶
The same news from 5 days ago(117 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44374761

I wouldn't romanticize it that much.

Tesla used to be: Unmatched software(+), unmatched electronics(+), Save the planet(+), great subsidies(+), electric car that doesn't look weird(+), USA and Startups and the future(+), unmatched acceleration(+), low built quality(-), Shitty driving dynamics(-)

Now alternatives are pretty good, so still Unmatched software(+) but the difference is not that big and the rest doesn't look good. No longer saving the planet because you don't save the planet with fascists, USA is no longer cool(hostile and clown-like), tech guys are no longer cool(greedy and sleazy and meddle with politics instead of doing cool shit), the design is dated and boring now and there are many alternatives doing much better in many other characteristics.

So Tesla still sells very well when the price is right, match the new situation and it sells. Tasla sells like hot cakes in Turkey for example because they introduced a version specifically for the Turkish regulations and that particular configuration is taxed just %10 when the cheapest petrol cars are taxed %80. AFAIK Tesla keeps selling well in Norway too.

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stavros ◴[29 Jun 25 23:06 UTC] No.44417449[source]▶
This is spot on, I bought a BYD instead of a Tesla because of the reasons above. The build quality was better, the subsidy was great, and the Tesla brand is associated with Musk, so it's not a brand I personally want to touch.
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la_fayette ◴[30 Jun 25 05:23 UTC] No.44419716[source]▶
Ok but the association of BYD with China is also something I personally have reservations with.
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arkitaip ◴[30 Jun 25 07:06 UTC] No.44420346[source]▶
99% of the stuff you buy is "associated" with China.
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1. devn0ll ◴[01 Jul 25 10:43 UTC] No.44432515[source]▶
Both Audi (as an example) and BYD have chinese components. Yes. But with Audi they feel obligated to check the whole car for correct functioning. Including chinese chips. Making sure there are no backdoors (For example) in those chips. If not for themselves and the customer then for the security of the whole country. At least that option exists..

BYD has no such feelings or obligations. In fact, the opposite.

Also: I do not understand ANYONE opting for a cheap Chinese car, knowing that they are screwing their own and their children's future once all the other options are priced out of the market. Once they have the market: kneel down before them.

Also 2: This is one of the few cases where tariff's could actually correctly be applied.