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The $25k car is going extinct?

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puzzlingcaptcha ◴[] No.44420041[source]
You can still buy a new subcompact car (like a Renault Clio or Skoda Fabia) in Europe for under 20k EUR.

The more interesting question is why these cars disappeared in the US. And while many of the factors discussed here are true for both EU and US (inflation, interest rates, manufacturer profit margins etc) I am surprised no one mentioned the 'SUV loophole' of US regulations that effectively boosted the SUVs (off-road vehicles are classified as non-passenger automobiles with everything that entails, notably much less stringent emission standards) and made the small cars unprofitable to make in comparison.

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AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.44421629[source]
> I am surprised no one mentioned the 'SUV loophole' of US regulations that effectively boosted the SUVs (off-road vehicles are classified as non-passenger automobiles with everything that entails, notably much less stringent emission standards) and made the small cars unprofitable to make in comparison.

This has become the irrelevant part because "does it have an electric motor in the powertrain" has become more important to fuel economy than vehicle size. There are hybrid SUVs that get better MPG than non-hybrid sedans, to say nothing of the full electric ones.

Which is another reason the average price is increasing. Hybrids have a lower TCO even though they have a higher initial purchase price. People who can do the math realize that paying more up front for a hybrid or full electric is paying less long-term. But then the market for lower priced new cars declines, because the people who can afford a new car can afford to pay a little extra for long-term savings and most of the people who can't afford to do that were buying used to begin with.

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Spooky23 ◴[] No.44422213[source]
Only if you keep them for a long time. Most people drive around 15k miles, the gas difference ends up to about $2500/yr.

If you drive a lot, different story.

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enragedcacti ◴[] No.44425030[source]
The Corolla hybrid is only $1500 more than the base model and gets 50MPG combined vs 35MPG. The break even for 15k miles/year is 2.5-4.3 years given the highest and lowest US prices as of today (California@$4.59, Texas@$2.70).
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1. Spooky23 ◴[] No.44429041[source]
Not really. Toyota dealers are filth. The ones around here were trying to sell my neice one for $5000 over sticker as a “market adjustment”.

It’s better in other regions, but you couldn’t pay me to buy a Toyota.