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The $25k car is going extinct?

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BanterTrouble ◴[] No.44421284[source]
I work on my own cars now (as a hobby really) and one of the reasons the new cars are so expensive is they are much more complicated. A lot of this seems to be over-engineering IMO. This is alluded to in the article, but not explicitly stated.

The cars I work on are from the early 90s and everything is very simple to understand.

e.g. Electronics are normally simple circuits that aren't much more complicated than what you would find in a door bell and finding faults is normally just tracing wires and using a multi-meter. I had issues with the brake lights / reverse lights not working, the issue turned out that the spade like connector in the fuse box was pushed through and was making partial contact. Price to fix this was £0.

EDIT: Just remembered this isn't accurate. I had to buy a new reverse light. The entire reverse light assembly was ~£20. So the price to fix was about £20. The light assembly itself was like a big bicycle light.

My newer car needs a OB-II scanner to diagnose anything with a phone app. While this is arguably quicker it can be misleading. Sometimes it will be telling you that something is malfunctioning but it is really the sensor itself. These sensors are £200-£300 a piece. Replacing 4 glow plug sensors cost me £800. I was paying essentially to make the "you must service your engine" light to go away. There was nothing wrong with engine itself.

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alerighi ◴[] No.44421647[source]
Yes, if they would make a basic car like in the past I would buy it. Everyone has to sell you too much, I want a simple car, I don't want either the stereo, I will add my own later (I can put it one that is better than the factory one for a cheaper price, but in a modern car replacing the stereo is almost impossible). There are a ton of useless sensors, the sensor that tells you if you have a flat tire (I think I can notice myself), the emergency call button (while everyone has a mobile phone these days), automatic regulating seats (pulling a lever is too much difficult), dual zone clima control (it's the same space in the same car, why I would want to set 2 different temperatures?), etc.

And in all this useless things that they put in a car, they no longer provide you with a spare tire, just an useless repair kit...

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bumby ◴[] No.44422150[source]
Some of those “useless” sensors like tire pressure or backup camera are required by law. Even if you get a bare bones hatchback (manual transmission, manual locks, manual windows etc.) they’ll be forced to include those.
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ekianjo ◴[] No.44422212{3}[source]
Regulations will make cars unaffordable which is exactly what they are pushing for
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knowaveragejoe ◴[] No.44423602{4}[source]
Who is they? Why would they "push for" that?
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piuantiderp ◴[] No.44427280{5}[source]
Owners of car companies, to make more money. More disposable, more expensive cars, in less easily entered industry. How else will they keep BYD and others from coming in?
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1. vkou ◴[] No.44427446{6}[source]
The average age of a car on the American roads has been increasing every year.

How does this square with your theory that cars are becoming 'more disposable'? They seem to be running longer than ever before.

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2. bumby ◴[] No.44427593[source]
To play devils advocate, “disposable” doesn’t necessarily mean “unreliable”. It just means that it’s harder to fix once it does break.
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3. vkou ◴[] No.44427618[source]
The average age of an American car is, at the moment, 14 years[1]. That means that there are about as many 28+ year old cars on the road as there are new cars.

Repairability becomes somewhat less relevant when reliability is better out-of-the-box.

[1] A decade ago it was 11 years.

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4. bumby ◴[] No.44427956{3}[source]
Not to be too nit picky, but I think you’re conflating median and average. The median age is probably lower because the age distribution skews older due to vintage cars and such. But you are right about cars lasting much longer today. At the same time, I think there is a point that they are also less repairable. (I’ve heard horror stories of $7k+ touch screen replacements, which control everything from the radio to the HVAC).
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5. vkou ◴[] No.44428244{4}[source]
Vintage cars are a tiny fraction of the vehicle base, and due to demand and population growth, and the fact that an old car had to have been a new car at some point, there is an immediate bias towards having more newer cars.

Also, unlike with money and wealth and other metrics where averages aren't very useful, the distribution of car ages does not have a tail of incredible outliers. There aren't a lot of billion-year-old cars driving that average away from the median.

Look, it's entirely possible that 'this time it'll be different', and we'll regress on this metric, but at the moment the data does not support it.

6. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44435032{3}[source]
It doesn't compute like that because the minimum age is zero. So a long tail of fewer people driving stuff that's older than 28yr reduces the number of people driving things 14-28yr by greater than one each.