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fjfaase ◴[] No.44419355[source]
I fear that the general public in Germany will not be praising this achievement. The once efficient and punctional trains in Germany have deteriorated severely in the past years due to lots of delayed maintenance causing lots of delays and even regular cancelations of trains. Also the road infrastructure is suffering from delayed maintenance.
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blobbers ◴[] No.44419521[source]
Interesting; America seems to be suffering the same fate. It takes municipalities years to fix highways. The main highway running through Silicon Valley, 101, has been under construction for more than a decade and is in dire need of improvement.

It seems the network of roads built in the 40s, 50s and 60s just can no longer be done efficiently.

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Propelloni ◴[] No.44419945[source]
> It seems the network of roads built in the 40s, 50s and 60s just can no longer be done efficiently.

Of course they can, we have not lost that capability. It's not a matter of efficiency but effectivity. Road constructions of the 1960s are not effective for 21st century traffic demands. Today's level of traffic far exceeds the anticipated level of traffic at the time of construction. Germany sees this all the time, esp. with regards to bridges. Maintaining a road or a bridge to be effective at supporting the original traffic levels is easy but under today's load would require constant maintenance to not deteriorate immediately. Those constructions need to be upgraded which is hard to impossible to do in situ.

Let's take a well-known construction in Germany, the Leverkusener Brücke an der A1. It was originally built in the 1960s for a traffic level of 40,000 cars (and trucks) per day. It was upgraded and refurbished over the decades (meaning almost constant construction work happening) to a level of 100,000 cars per day. It wasn't enough, in 2016 about 120,000 cars crossed the bridge per day. At the same time trucks got about 30 % heavier from 1960 to 1990 and we all know that passenger cars got heavier, too.

So the whole bridge was replaced, which took 7 years, ending in 2024. During that time traffic was rerouted over two nearby bridges in Cologne and Düsseldorf. The Cologne bridge was so badly damaged by the additional load that it had to be partially closed down and now is up for refurbishment or, maybe, replacement. Network effects at work ;)

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is: we are actually better at building stuff than our predecessors but the demands put on our constructions are much, much higher. I don't dare to say if our capabilities have grown as much as the demands require.

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cyberax ◴[] No.44420126[source]
> Road constructions of the 1960s are not effective for 21st century traffic demands.

Citation needed.

As I see it, the US is still riding on the coattails of 1960-s road construction. We should be doing more of it, in fact, not sabotaging it with bike lanes and road diets.

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Fulgen ◴[] No.44420377[source]
The Netherlands proved you can do bike lanes quite well, not every country has to be a nightmare for life quality like the US aspires to be.
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1. cyberax ◴[] No.44424285[source]
You're thinking of Amsterdam? I used to live there.

Bikes are used there ONLY because there's no alternative to them. Transit takes too long, and there's no space for cars. And yet still around 20% of commutes in Amsterdam are by car.

> not every country has to be a nightmare for life quality like the US aspires to be.

The US is far, far, far ahead of Europe in urban quality of life that it's not even funny, if you disregard the dense hellscapes of SF and NYC.

This is easily seen in the number of children per capita. In modern societies, two groups of people tend to have more children ("inverted J-curve"):

1. Happy content people.

2. Desperately poor people.

Now look at Europe and the US, and I suggest looking at the US suburbs and not the dense cores.

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2. Kim_Bruning ◴[] No.44432968[source]
I've worked in Amsterdam. Used to take my car out to a park and ride station out in "the province" and joined the first standup of the day out of the "long yellow office building" [1], then a short walk to the tall grey one to actually get coding.

In or near Amsterdam I've seen and/or used busses, trains, ferrys, trams, bicycles, cars; and aircraft on approach to Schiphol looked like they almost flew past the window.

I also kind of like New Amsterdam (New York). It's cozy!

Can't argue with taste I guess. %-)

[1] Intercity trains: Long, Yellow, with electricity, free wifi, a place to sit, and you can bring your own Starbucks on board. Do try to avoid rush hour, or you'll be taking "standup" a bit too literally.

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3. cyberax ◴[] No.44437649[source]
> I've worked in Amsterdam.

So did I. And I had to be at the office at 7:30am. Even when the weather outside was "bracing".

> [1] Intercity trains: Long, Yellow, with electricity, free wifi, a place to sit, and you can bring your own Starbucks on board. Do try to avoid rush hour, or you'll be taking "standup" a bit too literally.

So basically, you wasted around 2 hours a day on the commute?

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4. Kim_Bruning ◴[] No.44438120{3}[source]
Total commute time was about 3 hours (90 minutes each way). I do not live in Amsterdam. About an hour of that was wasted because I needed to drive myself. The rest was often spent in useful ways in the back seat of a lovely stretched yellow vehicle with lots of horsepower and a chauffeur.
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5. cyberax ◴[] No.44438646{4}[source]
Now imagine that Amsterdam doesn't exist. I mean, other than a queer little museum town.

And you can just telecommute or use a nearby shared working space.

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6. Kim_Bruning ◴[] No.44438762{5}[source]
Where possible, the best commute is no commute at all. No argument from me!