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The $25k car is going extinct?

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BanterTrouble ◴[] No.44421284[source]
I work on my own cars now (as a hobby really) and one of the reasons the new cars are so expensive is they are much more complicated. A lot of this seems to be over-engineering IMO. This is alluded to in the article, but not explicitly stated.

The cars I work on are from the early 90s and everything is very simple to understand.

e.g. Electronics are normally simple circuits that aren't much more complicated than what you would find in a door bell and finding faults is normally just tracing wires and using a multi-meter. I had issues with the brake lights / reverse lights not working, the issue turned out that the spade like connector in the fuse box was pushed through and was making partial contact. Price to fix this was £0.

EDIT: Just remembered this isn't accurate. I had to buy a new reverse light. The entire reverse light assembly was ~£20. So the price to fix was about £20. The light assembly itself was like a big bicycle light.

My newer car needs a OB-II scanner to diagnose anything with a phone app. While this is arguably quicker it can be misleading. Sometimes it will be telling you that something is malfunctioning but it is really the sensor itself. These sensors are £200-£300 a piece. Replacing 4 glow plug sensors cost me £800. I was paying essentially to make the "you must service your engine" light to go away. There was nothing wrong with engine itself.

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alerighi ◴[] No.44421647[source]
Yes, if they would make a basic car like in the past I would buy it. Everyone has to sell you too much, I want a simple car, I don't want either the stereo, I will add my own later (I can put it one that is better than the factory one for a cheaper price, but in a modern car replacing the stereo is almost impossible). There are a ton of useless sensors, the sensor that tells you if you have a flat tire (I think I can notice myself), the emergency call button (while everyone has a mobile phone these days), automatic regulating seats (pulling a lever is too much difficult), dual zone clima control (it's the same space in the same car, why I would want to set 2 different temperatures?), etc.

And in all this useless things that they put in a car, they no longer provide you with a spare tire, just an useless repair kit...

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bumby ◴[] No.44422150[source]
Some of those “useless” sensors like tire pressure or backup camera are required by law. Even if you get a bare bones hatchback (manual transmission, manual locks, manual windows etc.) they’ll be forced to include those.
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ekianjo ◴[] No.44422212[source]
Regulations will make cars unaffordable which is exactly what they are pushing for
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1. Schiendelman ◴[] No.44422475[source]
Yeah! Let's get rid of requirements for headlights and seatbelts, and brake lights, too. Why do we need all that? /s
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2. dagw ◴[] No.44422508[source]
If those things are so important to people, they'll happily pay extra for them. Let the market decide! /s
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3. LastTrain ◴[] No.44422736[source]
Let’s use regulation for actual safety issues, and not to increase the barrier of entry for foreign vehicles. It drives up the cost of all vehicles.
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5. bumby ◴[] No.44422771[source]
The point of my post was to understand why those sensors exist ubiquitously to point to why removing them isn’t necessarily easy or smart. You seemed to have interpreted it completely wrong.
6. geodel ◴[] No.44424450[source]
Agree. Far too much paraphernalia in cars. My garden cart runs fine with 2 wheels why car need 4. It is just inflate cost.
7. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44424678[source]
Sure, why not. Those are features people consider valuable and we'd continue to have them.

Save perhaps rarely if ever used seating positions (middle rear of the super stripped down V6 Mustang they make like 10 of so they can advertise a starting MSRP or some other comparable niche) I don't think seatbelts are going away anywhere they matter.

Ditto with headlights and tail lights, drivers find them useful. Perhaps we'd see a delete option used by fleet buyers who intend to equip the vehicles with alternative lighting.

8. kbelder ◴[] No.44424764[source]
Yes, but without the sarcasm.
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9. bumby ◴[] No.44426001{3}[source]
But what do we do about externalities, like when the value is for other people? I don’t get much value out of my turn signals, but I assume other drivers do…

Oh, wait. That’s what regulators are for :-)

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10. ekianjo ◴[] No.44432901[source]
Gotta love a strawman once in a while
11. ekianjo ◴[] No.44432915{4}[source]
> Oh, wait. That’s what regulators are for :-)

Do you blindly assume that regulators are right 100% of the time? If they aren't , then by virtue of regulation being never removed in the long run, you will end up with inflated regulation for which some of it is done for no good reason.

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12. Schiendelman ◴[] No.44454374{5}[source]
This is absolutely true. This is how housing prices have gotten so bad in the United States, through incredibly insane zoning and all the other land use regulation around it.

Is there a particular regulation you would prefer to remove? If you list something specific, let's talk about other alternatives to removing the regulation that could cause better outcomes without reducing supply in that market.