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The $25k car is going extinct?

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aorloff ◴[] No.44418386[source]
Nobody else has said it so I guess I will.

The reason the US car industry does not want a $25k car is that the financing opportunities are crap for a car of this low cost.

In the same way that airlines exist to offer you a miles based credit card, the US car dealerships survive by offering you a loan for the car. Or perhaps, a car to go with your structured finance opportunity.

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SoftTalker ◴[] No.44418924[source]
Buy the best used car you can afford for cash and forget all that dealership nonsense
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financypants ◴[] No.44419017[source]
The small and quasi-loophole to getting a good used car deal is buying a hail damage car. I genuinely don't understand why cars were made to have shiny paint. Cars drive on dirty roads with insects and pebbles abound. Paint doesn't matter. Car washes are crazy, except to abait rust
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leakycap ◴[] No.44419135[source]
The issue you'll face is when you go to sell it – any noticeable hail damage means you are getting 1/2 the resale value if you can even find an interested buyer.
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1. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.44420028[source]
Ideally you should be driving the car until the wheels fall off anyways. Faffing about selling cars and buying newer ones is a waste of money.
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2. dagw ◴[] No.44420578[source]
Driving a car until the wheels fall off generally doesn't make financial sense. Keeping an old car on the road gets really expensive unless you have the space, time and skills to do all the work yourself. Then there is the opportunity cost of not having access to your car for days/weeks at a time while it is being repaired. Finally you have the stress of not being quite sure if your car will start when you turn the key or get you where you want to go.

From both an economic and quality of life point of view, you are better driving your car until it starts to get slightly unreliable and then quickly trade it in for a slightly newer used car. Buy a 5-10 year old car, drive it for 5-10 years, then trade it in for a 5-10 years old car is probably pretty close to an optimal strategy.

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3. leakycap ◴[] No.44420590[source]
> Faffing about selling cars and buying newer ones is a waste of money.

Depends. No reason to pour money into a depreciating asset that you trust your life with.

I saw an early 2000s small car get into a ~30mph collision recently and ... I wouldn't drive an early 2000s car after that. A lot of people do, and they probably should try to get something with more modern safety equipment.

4. leakycap ◴[] No.44420599[source]
Same with technology. If you aren't rich, selling around the time the next model comes out is actually a great way to avoid paying full price for your modern tech.

With Apple stuff, waiting more than 1-2 cycles means you've missed the ability to recoup most of your costs AND you got to use an old device for an extra year... yay?

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5. lostlogin ◴[] No.44421469[source]
Does a Toyota Corolla ever get unreliable or uneconomic to repair?
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6. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44422018{3}[source]
Yes.

Prices are all jacked up vs what you get because a historical surplus of very well kept cars on the used market has lead to every idiot on the internet being told they're somehow magical.

A badge on the grill doesn't make 100k the of uber miles that the 3rd owner put on or being habitually driven low on some key fluid by the 4th owner any less destructive.

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7. lotsofpulp ◴[] No.44422037{3}[source]
More like extra 2 or 3 years, so yes, yay. Consumption is consumption, you don't get things for free.

If the phone only lasted 1 more year, then the resale price of the phone would reflect that. Either the collective market of buyers lacks the information to evaluate this (doubt), or you got lucky finding the one buyer willing to overpay.

You also always pay full price, because when you buy a new phone (or anything), you always have the option to buy the used or keep using the old one. Cost is opportunity cost, which is defined as your choice minus your second best choice.

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8. lostlogin ◴[] No.44425982{4}[source]
I ran a Corolla with a holed sump, and no measurable oil. I was going to scrap it.

After 3 months it was going ok so took it to a mechanic. They repaired it, said ‘don’t do that’ and it carried on for another 5 years before I sold it.

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9. leakycap ◴[] No.44451143{4}[source]
> Consumption is consumption, you don't get things for free.

While this is true, desirability in the used market doesn't work linearly. Apple devices fall off quickly in value after 2 years. If you buy early in the product cycle, selling as soon as you can buy the next year's model has proven to be the most economic way, because resale on last year's model is still great but 2 years ago is in the tank.

I've been upgrading yearly since 2007 and my spouse waits 3-5 years between phones. Doing the math, over the years I've spent less overall because of the value of sales when I trade up vs. their phone was worth sub-$200 when I sold it recently, because it was older than a few years.

10. leakycap ◴[] No.44451154{5}[source]
At some point, even a Corolla will need a repair or maintenance significantly more expensive than the remaining value offered by the old car. It sounds like if you drove it for 3 months without oil, you didn't have a lot of options at the time or you might have put oil in your car in the meantime?