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Cell Towers Can Double as Cheap Radar Systems for Ports and Harbors (2014)

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137 points transpute | 2 comments | 29 Jun 25 21:48 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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timewizard ◴[29 Jun 25 22:15 UTC] No.44417023[source]▶
No? It's significantly smarter and easier to use AIS.
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jchulce ◴[29 Jun 25 22:40 UTC] No.44417257[source]▶
AIS, like ADSB, is secondary surveillance - not radar. It's a mechanism for cooperative targets with functioning electronics to identify themselves and provide operational information. However, it does not detect uncooperative entities or those not equipped with the electric transponders. For example, AIS won't show you an enemy's invading fleet, and ADSB won't show incoming missiles. Those needs are fulfilled by primary surveillance radar, like the passive solution from this article.
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timewizard ◴[30 Jun 25 02:30 UTC] No.44418659[source]▶
If you're honestly worried about being bombed then you need to buy radar.

With your logic all I have to do is take the additional step of disabling your cellular infrastructure before I steam up to your port.

This is not a tactical solution. It can only be for convenience or cost savings. In that realm, AIS is the obvious answer.

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denkmoon ◴[30 Jun 25 03:42 UTC] No.44419122[source]▶
Ukraine war shows improvised capability from cots hardware can have a meaningful impact. Probably easier to get 5g cell tower infrastructure than dedicated military radars.
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1. timewizard ◴[30 Jun 25 04:05 UTC] No.44419252{3}[source]▶
You're telling me Ukraine can't get dedicated radar? A non weapons package that any Western nation would sell to them without reservation?

Again, probably easier to destroy 5g cell tower infrastructure than dedicated military installations.

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2. denkmoon ◴[30 Jun 25 07:25 UTC] No.44420441[source]▶
Of course they can, though not as easily as you seem to think I suspect. Radar technology is very secret. Regardless, it’s a matter of numbers. I’m sure the Ukranians would love to field unlimited predator drones if they could. In reality, they field DJI and other commercial drones en masse because of availability. Only relatively recently have they got their own cheap mass produced drones online. These drones are also easier to destroy than a predator, so by your logic, why would they have invested in this? Wunderwaffe never wins wars, logistics do.