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jimnotgym ◴[] No.44409651[source]
The rest of the world needs to club closer together, and quickly. The US is no longer a reliable ally.
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1. GiorgioG ◴[] No.44409749[source]
By all means please do and pay for it yourselves.
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2. galacticaactual ◴[] No.44409988[source]
Yep.
3. bix6 ◴[] No.44410015[source]
Heaven forbid the richest nation on earth that steals resources from everyone else contribute to global improvement.
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4. GiorgioG ◴[] No.44410253[source]
Heaven forbid the rest of the world pays their own share of the bill. We’re not a charity. We treat our own people like shit, don’t expect to be treated better.
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5. bix6 ◴[] No.44410435{3}[source]
When you light a lamp for someone else, it also brightens your path.
6. octo888 ◴[] No.44410521{3}[source]
Much of the world is already VERY accustomed to the US treating it like shit
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7. jimnotgym ◴[] No.44411514{3}[source]
The lack of self-awareness here is incredible. Every Visa, Mastercard and PayPal transaction in my country results in us paying tax to the US. You think we couldn't develop our own card schemes?

US tech business gets tax free entry into our market. It uses our roads, our communications, our police and court system. All of this is to the detriment of our local business.

A huge amount of our defence spending goes directly to the US. We buy your planes even when we could make better ones ourselves. We have supported the US in nearly every colonial adventure since WW2.

Why do we allow ourselves to be milked like this? We are paying tribute to the US for being the ally of our colonial masters. Its time we stopped.

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8. justinrubek ◴[] No.44413581{3}[source]
No, we're not a charity. We've just been the ones not paying our share of the bill. We've arranged it such that we have the best deal and we've gotten greedy now, so we are choosing to jeopardize that.
9. GiorgioG ◴[] No.44418180{4}[source]
Yes all these things you don’t do yourselves because you can do it better, cheaper and faster. Listen to yourself.
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10. GiorgioG ◴[] No.44418186{4}[source]
Feel free to spend a trillion dollars on your own DoD annually. Then you don’t need the US anymore. I’d be happy if we stopped policing the world as much as anyone else. And we could maybe spend our taxes on something more productive and useful to the people.
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11. octo888 ◴[] No.44419845{5}[source]
Just because the US spends so much on defence is not evidence that level of spending is required
12. jimnotgym ◴[] No.44420636{5}[source]
You may recall that Europe has its own card schemes, but the UK doesn't join them, because of the 'special relationship'.

The UK was forced by the US to abandon TSR2, the best jet in the world, to get a cash bailout from the US, that it needed after all of the years fighting WW2 on its own...it spent all of its money buying material...from the USA. The UK invented lots of key military equipment, Radar, proximity fuses, nuclear bombs, jet engines, and gave them all to the US. It is about time the US paid us back, you leeches

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13. GiorgioG ◴[] No.44422568{6}[source]
I don't recall Europe having its own global card schemes.

The TSR-2 was abandoned due to cost overruns. The F-111 would have been cheaper...but even that was abandoned and eventually the Tornado came along...not a US aircraft.

The flow of military inventions flowed both ways during WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_technological_cooperati... Maybe if you hadn't had a coward as a leader in Chamberlain we wouldn't have had to bail you guys out (and lose ~250,000 Americans in Europe.)

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14. jimnotgym ◴[] No.44452136{7}[source]
>The TSR-2 was abandoned due to cost overruns. The F-111 would have been cheaper...but even that was abandoned and eventually the Tornado came along...not a US aircraft.

Well done for skim reading Wikipedia. That is pretty much the excerpt from the top of the page shortened even more to take out key details.

Tsr2 was cancelled in 1965. Tornado entered service in the 1980s. Big gap to have no planes at all...

>The F-111 would have been cheaper

"It was decided to order an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111 instead, but that decision was also later rescinded as costs and development times increased."

Filled in the gap for you

Tsr2 was cancelled due to American blackmail, neo-colonial bullying. A skim read of Wikipedia doesn't refute it