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BusyBeaver(6) Is Quite Large

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1. NooneAtAll3 ◴[] No.44406905[source]
If you want to learn about actual Busy Beaver results, I suggest reading https://www.sligocki.com/ instead

Unlike Aaronson, he actually is on the forefront of Busy Beaver research, and is one of the people behind the https://bbchallenge.org website

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2. moralestapia ◴[] No.44406991[source]
>Unlike Aaronson, he actually is on the forefront of Busy Beaver research [...]

Extremely bad ad hominem, I enjoyed Aaronson's read, nothing wrong with it.

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3. tedunangst ◴[] No.44407000[source]
Can you elaborate on what's wrong with this post?
4. lupire ◴[] No.44407081[source]
https://www.sligocki.com/ hasn't posted since April, and the very first link on that blog is a link to... Scott Aaronson.
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5. lupire ◴[] No.44407088[source]
That's not ad hominem at all.
6. refulgentis ◴[] No.44407217[source]
Gently, seconding peer: that is not ad hominem :)

Colloquially, I understand it's easy to think it means "saying something about someone that could be interpreted negatively" because that's the context it is read in it when it is used.

The meaning is saying a logical argument is incorrect because of who wrote the argument.

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7. refulgentis ◴[] No.44407235[source]
Could I bother you for some more info?

I spent 5 minutes trying to verify any link in the post above links to Scott Aaronson, or mentions him, and found nothing. :\ (both the siglocki, and when I found nothing there, the busy beaver site)

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8. alexeldeib ◴[] No.44407332{3}[source]
The "first" link (after the home button) on bbchallenge is the header bar link to https://bbchallenge.org/story which cites Aaronson in the first sentence (double first!). I would not describe it like OP for someone trying to find the actual link ;)

"One Collatz Coincidence", the 2nd story on the blog, also mentions Aaronson

9. charcircuit ◴[] No.44407410{3}[source]
But the comment is not just saying something negative.

It is implying that claims from the article like "Then, three days ago, Tristan wrote again to say that mxdys has improved the bound again, to BB(6)>9_2_2_2" are not real results. The justification for these not being real results is solely based off whether author is actually on the forefront of research.

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10. refulgentis ◴[] No.44407538{4}[source]
I think you're touching on something important here.

OP isn't making a ad hominem fallacy in a logical argument sense - it's not saying "Aaronson is wrong because he's not a frontline researcher."

But you're absolutely right to feel uncomfortable with their approach. There's something off-putting about dismissing someone's reporting of research developments, even if you prefer more comprehensive coverage, or there's more interesting things to say.

The thing is, if that's ad hominem, so is any recommendation preferring one second-hand reporting over another -- ex. "if you want the actual news, read Tucker, not Krugman" isn't an ad hominem towards Krugman.

Another example we see often on HN: saying "you should read the actual paper instead of this pop science" is a quite frequent, quite agreeable, and yet dull, contribution on say, a Quanta article. Yet, I imagine we agree this isn't an ad hominem.

The real issue might be that OP conflates two different things: being a primary researcher versus being a good science communicator who accurately reports on others' work.

Both roles have value, and questioning whether someone has filled one role doesn't necessarily invalidate their ability to fill the other.

(this helped me understand my odd frustration with the dull comments on science articles: I emotionally engage with it as being mean / out of bounds, but its true, and in reality, what I'm frustrated with is there could always be a more detailed article, or even paper, but yet we all must publish)

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11. renewiltord ◴[] No.44407749[source]
I don’t get it. What’s wrong with the post? And https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.04343 is interesting, no?
12. moralestapia ◴[] No.44407752{3}[source]
The wording implies that Aaronson does not know what he's talking about.

>If you want to learn about actual Busy Beaver results [...]

This is saying there is no discussion of the results in the article, which is not true.

>Unlike Aaronson, he actually is on the forefront of Busy Beaver research [...]

This implies Aaronson has no (or lesser) authority on the subject and suggests we should listen to somebody else who purportedly has more.

Nowhere in @NooneAtAll3's comment is there an argument made against/for the contents of the article, an example of that would be:

"Aaronson mentions X but this is not correct because Y" or something along those lines.

Instead, the comment, in it's full extent, is either discrediting (perhaps unintentionally) and/or appealing to the authority of people involved. That's ad hominem.

13. charcircuit ◴[] No.44407890{5}[source]
>ex. "if you want the actual news, read Tucker, not Krugman" isn't an ad hominem towards Krugman.

But how you justify that could be one. If you are just attacking the person instead of their reporting I would call that ad hominem.

14. dloranc ◴[] No.44414815[source]
Maybe Scott isn't at the forefront of the research by some standards, but I still consider him a prominent figure in the field. Independence of ZFC, Busy Baver Frontier paper, "Who Can Name the Bigger Number?" essay. He did a lot to popularise the topic and posed some interesting ideas or conjectures (Beeping Busy Beavers for example).