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jan_Sate ◴[] No.44403737[source]
I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet.

Sad to see what US has become.

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zeroCalories ◴[] No.44403835[source]
The goal isn't to stop terrorism, or drug trafficking, etc. It's to curb opposition. There's very little difference between someone that's anti-american but keeps their opinions to themself, and someone that has no opinions. Why do you think China cracks down on speech? Is it for shits-and-giggles?
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15155 ◴[] No.44404059[source]
> anti-american but keeps their opinions to themself, and someone that has no opinions

Why do we need to be admitting anti-American individuals to this country for any reason whatsoever?

News flash: visas are a privilege, not a right.

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__s ◴[] No.44404094[source]
Anti American is a fluid term

Is it anti American to oppose annexing Canada? Careful what you reply, may affect your visa application

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15155 ◴[] No.44404109[source]
It truly does not matter how this opinion can shift with the political climate: foreigners aren't citizens, no matter how much folks would like this to be the case.
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netsharc ◴[] No.44404180[source]
> We've got to do a better job of getting across that America is freedom -- freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of enterprise. And freedom is special and rare. It's fragile; it needs protection.

Reagan is a hypocritical cunt of course, but how far we've fallen that now you might as well put a chain around Lady Liberty's neck, pull it down like the statues of Saddam Hussein or Assad (or I guess hanging is more appropriate, since the spiritual successors of the Confederancy is now in power), and replace it with a statue of redneck lady giving foreigners the middle finger, with "Fuck off!" written on the base.

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1. 15155 ◴[] No.44404210[source]
Ah yes, because we don't automatically tolerate foreign political activists (or intelligence operatives, who cares, right?), freedom is all but lost, right?
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2. mandmandam ◴[] No.44404299[source]
You have managed to conflate vocally anti-genocidal students (exercising their universal human right to freedom of assembly) with "foreign political activists" (as if they came to the US just to try and help us stop enabling genocide) - and then leaped straight to "intelligence operators".

You also seem to be all over this thread insisting that these violations of human rights will only ever be applied to foreigners - even as the executive branch openly works to redefine who counts as a foreigner.

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3. 15155 ◴[] No.44404312[source]
> conflate vocally anti-genocidal students

I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever.

Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process.

> will only ever be applied to foreigners

I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

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4. mandmandam ◴[] No.44404359{3}[source]
> I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever.

Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it.

> Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process.

What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though?

> I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

It's not remotely hypothetical [0], and if you don't know that then you really lack the basic table stakes of knowledge to be weighing in on this at all (as also evidenced by your refusal to acknowledge the UDHR).

0 - https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5270572/birthright-citi...

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5. 15155 ◴[] No.44404381{4}[source]
> Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it.

Guess what? You don't have a universal human right to a visa, even if you do have a right to free speech.

> What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder

I'm not a visa holder. I wouldn't expect to be able to go to China and espouse anti-CCP rhetoric, either.

> refusal to acknowledge the UDHR

Visas aren't a human right, try again.

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6. netsharc ◴[] No.44404444{4}[source]
Man, I'm getting emotionally worked up on a Saturday trying to change some [two words removed because hello HN guidelines]'s mind. I hope you're not on the same path as me.

I suggest we let him think what he wants to think. I find it curious anyway when people say they don't consider hypotheticals, humans are all about hypotheticals ("what's going to happen if x happens..."), even apes do so. Not considering them means wanting to be as intelligent as amoebas, and the [term has been deleted] we're trying to converse with seems to be proud of that.

7. 15155 ◴[] No.44404464{4}[source]
> What is the source of this righteous indignation? You think countries invite foreigners here with the patronizing attitude of “you’re lucky to be here, don’t say a fucking word”?

Yes, I do think that's how countries invite foreigners.

> Try your best to not sound so unfuckable.

Looks like I hit a nerve. I'm sure you're a great houseguest.

8. zeroCalories ◴[] No.44404614{4}[source]
> Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it.

Universal legal rights don't exist. They are an opinion.

> What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though?

Yes, that's the entire point.

9. ivape ◴[] No.44407883{5}[source]
”I'm not a visa holder. I wouldn't expect to be able to go to China and espouse anti-CCP rhetoric, either.”

You don’t expect to do those things in China because it’s an authoritarian government that doesn’t care about human rights A-Z (all the way from basic labor rights over to internment reeducation camps).

So the question is why are you applying a standard we have for China, which is just slightly above what we expect from North Korea, unto to America?

We are not the country that does shit like what you are describing. This is a temporary dark spot on American history, and you are absolutely on the wrong side of things. All of this joins the embarrassing catalog of American darkness - Japanese internment camps, Chinese exclusion act, segregation, list goes on.