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    jan_Sate ◴[] No.44403737[source]
    I don't get why the US thought that it'd be a good idea to vet social media accounts for visa applications. If someone's having ill intent, one could easily create a burner account and fill in some random content for the sake of getting thru the visa application. Or they could even just purchase an account somewhere on the internet.

    Sad to see what US has become.

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    1. DragonStrength ◴[] No.44403912[source]
    No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.
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    2. tuyguntn ◴[] No.44404040[source]
    Do you think US embassy will reject political activism if it was against China?
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    3. mandmandam ◴[] No.44404238[source]
    > They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students.

    Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

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    5. mensetmanusman ◴[] No.44404594[source]
    Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.
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    6. efitz ◴[] No.44404667[source]
    Do you think you would be granted a visa by China if your social media was full of anti-China rhetoric?
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    7. happymellon ◴[] No.44404724{3}[source]
    How so?

    It doesnt even seem remotely the same.

    That would be the right to prevent assembly.

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    8. dfxm12 ◴[] No.44404811[source]
    People have been detained/face deportation for activism against other foreign countries, so why not? The point is: if the admin wants you gone, or doesn't want to let you in, they'll use anything as pretense.
    9. mensetmanusman ◴[] No.44404828{4}[source]
    A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling.

    Assembly amongst all groups simultaneously isn’t possible with humans who are not bifurcating bosons.

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    10. pastage ◴[] No.44404968{3}[source]
    This is not remotely true. Of course it is denied if you can classify it as violent.
    11. hearsathought ◴[] No.44405362{3}[source]
    > Do you think you would be granted a visa by China if your social media was full of anti-China rhetoric?

    I bet you'd be granted a visa by china if your social media was full of anti-israel rhetoric though...

    12. tuyguntn ◴[] No.44405410{3}[source]
    it's strange that you are comparing democracy with a communism.

    Wasn't the whole premise of democracy to express yourself freely and the core idea was "rule by the people"?

    If country claims that they are democracy, then they should give people to add their opinion to rule the country, China is following its own core idea, ruled by a single party.

    13. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.44405909[source]
    > a universal human right

    This concept has been dead outside Europe since at least the 1990s. (It never found purchase in Russia, China or India.)

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    14. mindslight ◴[] No.44406111{3}[source]
    No, "the US" does not. Maybe the fascists currently in power are twisting words like that though, just as they twist every other lofty ideal into a rationalization for hurting people.
    15. happymellon ◴[] No.44406247{5}[source]
    That doesn't make sense.

    Just because you used a word in a sentence doesn't make it so.

    > A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling.

    They haven't prevented anything. Just because a team assembled, does not exclude others from being there.

    They can exclude, of course, but that has nothing to do with the assembly.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembl...

    > uncountable noun

    > When you refer to rights of assembly or restrictions on assembly, you are referring to the legal right that people have to gather together

    It's the gathering thats the assembly, not the exclusion. You just made that up.

    16. mandmandam ◴[] No.44409043{3}[source]
    ... That's not remotely true. Hypocrisy on the issue of human rights doesn't negate their existence in frameworks or as ideals that have motivated real progress. And, ignorance of human rights work outside of Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Finally, Europe doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to human rights hypocrisy either, even if they're some of the best of a bad lot.