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ggm ◴[] No.44386154[source]
You need to compare this to hit rate with mortars and attrition by counter battery fire on mortar teams. Not to detract from a sober assessment but it's hard to judge without the other parts of the story.

Thr tldr would be "temper expectations"

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risyachka ◴[] No.44386215[source]
This.

Mortar may be 5 times cheaper but 100x easier to destroy it and its crew.

Also half of the problems described are purely technical and can be easily solved with some budget. In Ukraine most drones are assembled by volunteers. So its not the reliability of drone that is an issue, its lack of proper assembly and QA.

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FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44386237[source]
>So its not the reliability of drone that is an issue, its lack of proper assembly and QA

Imagine what China can pull off here in case they're in a war.

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bboygravity ◴[] No.44386437[source]
China's fertility rate is 1.

Even if they win the war, they still eventually will have lost.

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FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44387173[source]
Fertility rate is a problem for the future, that you can also solve via better polices and incentives if you want to, meanwhile dying or being enslaved in a war is a problem for right now that you can't escape via policies.

Which one you think is worse?

Also, most wealthy industrialized western nations have the same fertility issues, some are only compensating by huge legal and ilegal immigration which can be causing bigger domestic economic and societal issues than being involved in a war abroad. The west and its values, as we used to know it, is also dying.

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gspetr ◴[] No.44394643[source]
>that you can also solve via better polices and incentives if you want to

Nobody can. And it's not like they don't want to. Neither the very traditional and religious Arabic countries like Saudi Arabia (2.14, barely above replacement, and trending down), nor a country like Norway, which can afford the best social program in the world. All have fertility troubles. Urban lifestyle just does fertility in.

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FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44395003[source]
>Nobody can.

Yeah you can, they just don't want to because it will be at the cost of short term corporate economic growth.

>And it's not like they don't want to.

They don't want to compromise short term corporate profits. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

>nor a country like Norway, which can afford the best social program in the world

Social programs don't mean shit if nobody can afford to buy urban real estate in the big cities where the jobs are. Norway has different issues than Japan. Every country has different issues.

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gspetr ◴[] No.44395102[source]
>Yeah you can

Really? Can you name one developed country besides Israel that has succeeded?

>Social programs don't mean shit if nobody can afford to buy urban real estate in the big cities where the jobs are

The Government Pension Fund Global (Statens pensjonsfond utland), also known as the Oil Fund (Oljefondet), was established in 1990 to invest the surplus revenues of the Norwegian petroleum sector. As of June 2025, it had over US$1.9 trillion in assets.

Price of a 3 bedroom house in Oslo: $1.5M

$1.9T / $1.5M = 1.266M houses

Population of Norway is 5.6M

Do you have a better argument than housing affordability?

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1. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44395728[source]
>Really? Can you name one developed country besides Israel that has succeeded?

How would they succed when they're not doing anything to succeed?

>Do you have a better argument than housing affordability?

How many families in Oslo can easily afford a 1.5 M apartment?