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79 points saubeidl | 11 comments | | HN request time: 0.442s | source | bottom
1. rcarmo ◴[] No.44391157[source]
Still waiting for the ability to compile and deploy my own apps on the hardware I own without having to re-sign and reload every week or so. If you don't intend to distribute an app, I don't see why you should be unduly penalized for it.
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2. bowsamic ◴[] No.44391230[source]
I constantly complain about this, but they’ll never let you do it, because our hobby apps have no ads
3. pimeys ◴[] No.44391519[source]
That would finally make using these lifesaving apps much easier, if you don't want to use Android.

https://loopkit.github.io/loopdocs/

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4. mslansn ◴[] No.44391625[source]
Because you can do this to install pirated apps, which is something they are trying to avoid.
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5. wtallis ◴[] No.44391875[source]
Turning your iPhone into an unregulated DIY medical device really does not seem like the kind of use case that any serious business would be swayed by. What you're asking for would be pretty terrifying for the lawyers. You shouldn't expect any company to deliberately make accommodations for that use case; rather, you should expect them to at most add more disclaimers of liability for what you do with your phone.
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6. rcarmo ◴[] No.44392157[source]
That is if you re-sign IPA files. If you locked a build to an Apple ID or set of devices and limited my deployments to the devices I own that would not be a problem--it is the periodic re-signing that I care about.

At least make it last a year, the current limits are completely stupid.

7. msgodel ◴[] No.44392434{3}[source]
God forbid we give consumers access to tools from a place like Lowe's (also a large public company btw [1].) Think of all the dangerous things people could build with them!!!!

This is so unbelievably retarded.

[1] https://elite.finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=LOW&p=d

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8. wtallis ◴[] No.44392627{4}[source]
Obviously there's no point in trying to entirely prevent people from DIYing dangerous devices, medical or otherwise. But that's not what's at issue here. The problem here is the absolutely stupid idea of using a desire for dangerous DIY as the argument in favor of loosening restrictions already in place. It's pretty much the least-compelling argument possible.
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9. archagon ◴[] No.44393429[source]
You should not be penalized for it even if you do intend to distribute an app. This endless rent seeking is utter bullshit.
10. pimeys ◴[] No.44393909{5}[source]
AndroidAPS has saved my life and countless of other lives. It is an absolutely amazing tool, so please be respectful before saying it is stupid.
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11. wtallis ◴[] No.44394486{6}[source]
Please do me the courtesy of not misrepresenting what I have said and clarified. I have not said that AndroidAPS or Loop or any other DIY medical device software is stupid. I have only said that it is something a reputable business would consider risky and dangerous.

What I have said is stupid is: your attempt to use that software as an argument in favor of loosening Apple's restrictions on iOS applications. The apps in question are such a legal nightmare that they're not available in any major app store, for iOS or Android. No business with a competent legal department would want to be directly involved with those software projects, unless they were planning to incorporate them into their own product and get it certified by regulators like the FDA. If Apple or any other company in a similar situation decided to open up their platform and even mentioned that one of the benefits of that change was to enable this DIY medical device use case, that would probably put them at substantial legal risk.

Regardless of how useful you find such software, you're not going to get a corporation on board by drawing their attention to such a big legal risk. You're also unlikely to win over government regulators, since they're likely to be of the opinion that medical devices should be regulated.

You've identified a reason why some customers may want Apple to change their strategy, but you've completely failed to provide a reason why Apple would want to change, or why a government would want to force Apple to change.