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Apple announces App Store changes in the EU

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79 points saubeidl | 12 comments | 26 Jun 25 19:54 UTC | HN request time: 0.811s | source | bottom
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rekoil ◴[26 Jun 25 20:11 UTC] No.44390818[source]▶

    Developers who opt for tier one will get access to a limited set of mandatory App Store services, including:
    * App distribution and delivery
    * Trust and safety features
    * App management
    [...]
    Developers who opt for tier two will get access to all services provided by the App Store today.
Am I wrong or does it seem like apps in "tier 1" won't even have access to app notification delivery? That's wild...
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1. saubeidl ◴[26 Jun 25 20:37 UTC] No.44391068[source]▶
There's is absolutely 0% chance this will fly. Apple is begging for a fine at this point, with their bad-faith malicious interpretations of the law.
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2. gjsman-1000 ◴[26 Jun 25 20:42 UTC] No.44391136[source]▶
You're certain the EU didn't just approve this plan?
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3. saubeidl ◴[26 Jun 25 20:49 UTC] No.44391206[source]▶
Our leaders are sometimes spineless, so I unfortunately can't be certain.

I am however pretty certain that said spinelessness wouldn't fly with the European public.

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4. itake ◴[26 Jun 25 20:57 UTC] No.44391280[source]▶
I think this is how Android Play store currently works? If you deploy your app via another means, you get to DIY your own push infrastructure. I remember Square had to do this for their POS units that run Android, but weren't managed by the play store.
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5. veeti ◴[26 Jun 25 21:16 UTC] No.44391485[source]▶
No, Firebase Cloud Messaging is a separate service from Play Store. As long as the device has Google Mobile Services installed the app can be installed from anywhere and doesn't need to be uploaded to Play Store.
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6. rekoil ◴[26 Jun 25 21:27 UTC] No.44391608[source]▶
Which would be fair game except to my knowledge there’s no API in iOS that enables the use of anything other than APNS for notifications. I could be mistaken though!
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7. mslansn ◴[26 Jun 25 21:32 UTC] No.44391682{3}[source]▶
Doesn't really matter since the European commission is not voted by us - we have no choice in the matter.
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8. saubeidl ◴[26 Jun 25 21:54 UTC] No.44391867{4}[source]▶
The European commission is nominated by our elected governments.

It is as democratic as the US presidency, which is also nominated by electors.

This is a tired talking point designed to sow doubt in the European project.

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9. mslansn ◴[26 Jun 25 21:56 UTC] No.44391885{5}[source]▶
Adding layers of indirection makes it less democratic. We should be able to vote for them directly.
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10. saubeidl ◴[26 Jun 25 22:04 UTC] No.44391936{6}[source]▶
Sure it does.

But one layer of indirection is not crazy, that's the way any minister in any country works - or the way the US presidency does.

You can't directly elect every single official - it just doesn't scale. It also doesn't really make sense in the commissioner case as different commissioners have different portfolios and which country gets what is subject to negotiation between member states.

11. itake ◴[27 Jun 25 01:20 UTC] No.44393006{3}[source]▶
Yeah that’s a big requirement. To get Google mobile services, you’re required to install Google chrome, Google play, and bunch of other bloatware.

You don’t have to load the app via Google play but your device needs to be managed by Google.

12. itake ◴[27 Jun 25 01:22 UTC] No.44393017{3}[source]▶
Again, I don’t see how that is different from android.

For android, you need to buy into all the ecosystem of Google to access their push notification service.

You can use android without google’s system, but you can’t use google push system.