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imiric ◴[] No.44378450[source]
I applaud the effort. We need human-friendly CAPTCHAs, as much as they're generally disliked. They're the only solution to the growing spam and abuse problem on the web.

Proof-of-work CAPTCHAs work well for making bots expensive to run at scale, but they still rely on accurate bot detection. Avoiding both false positives and negatives is crucial, yet all existing approaches are not reliable enough.

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> While AI agents can theoretically simulate these patterns, the effort likely outweighs other alternatives.

For now. Behavioral and cognitive signals seem to work against the current generation of bots, but will likely also be defeated as AI tools become cheaper and more accessible. It's only a matter of time until attackers can train a model on real human input, and inference to be cheap enough. Or just for the benefit of using a bot on a specific target to outweigh the costs.

So I think we will need a different detection mechanism. Maybe something from the real world, some type of ID, or even micropayments. I'm not sure, but it's clear that bot detection is at the opposite, and currently losing, side of the AI race.

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nico ◴[] No.44380175[source]
> Proof-of-work CAPTCHAs work well for making bots expensive to run at scale

“Expensive” depends on the value of what you do behind the captcha

There are human-solving captcha services that charge USD 1 for 1k captchas solved (0.1 cents per captcha)

So as long as you can charge more than what solving the captchas cost, you are good to go

Unfortunately, for a lot of tasks, humans are currently cheaper than AI

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msgodel ◴[] No.44380717[source]
POW captchas aren't actually captchas, it's just hashcash (IE make sure the person reading the content is using as much or more compute as you are serving it so they can't DOS you either on purpose or accident.) We stopped needing it for a while because compute and bandwidth grew really fast while serverside software mostly stayed the same.
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1. johnisgood ◴[] No.44381732[source]
Agreed, it indeed is Hashcash. I love it. So simple yet effective.

http://www.hashcash.org

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hashcash

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash

C implementation (feature-rich): https://github.com/hashcash-org/hashcash/tree/master/c

A Factor (Forth-like language) implementation of it: https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/extra/hashcash/...