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Fun with uv and PEP 723

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618 points deepakjois | 1 comments | 24 Jun 25 18:41 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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ACAVJW4H ◴[24 Jun 25 20:14 UTC] No.44370555[source]▶
finally feels like Python scripts can Just Work™ without a virtualenv scavenger hunt.

Now if only someone could do the same for shell scripts. Packaging, dependency management, and reproducibility in shell land are still stuck in the Stone Ages. Right now it’s still curl | bash and hope for the best, or a README with 12 manual steps and three missing dependencies.

Sure, there’s Nix... if you’ve already transcended time, space, and the Nix manual. Docker? Great, if downloading a Linux distro to run sed sounds reasonable.

There’s got to be a middle ground simple, declarative, and built for humans.

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bigstrat2003 ◴[24 Jun 25 20:27 UTC] No.44370667[source]▶
> Packaging, dependency management, and reproducibility in shell land are still stuck in the Stone Ages.

IMO it should stay that way, because any script that needs those things is way past the point where shell is a reasonable choice. Shell scripts should be small, 20 lines or so. The language just plain sucks too much to make it worth using for anything bigger.

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xavdid ◴[25 Jun 25 06:37 UTC] No.44374216[source]▶
My rule of thumb is that as soon as I write a conditional, it's time to upgrade bash to Python/Node/etc. I shouldn't have to search for the nuances of `if` statements every time I need to write them.
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1. w0m ◴[25 Jun 25 16:54 UTC] No.44379432[source]▶
Historically; my rule of thumb is as soon as I can't see the ~entire script without scrolling - time to rewrite in Python/ansible. I Think about the rewrite, but it usually takes awhile to do it (if ever)