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donatj ◴[] No.44373354[source]
I was pondering this earlier today while manually prepending archive.is to a pay walled link on my Android phone for the umpteenth time today.

The micro-transaction proposals everyone cried about in the early 2000's would have been so much better than this.

The odds of me paying for a subscription for some tiny local newspaper on the other side of the country are literally nil, but I'd be far more willing toss you a penny or two to read the content of a single article.

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arrowsmith ◴[] No.44375289[source]
> The micro-transaction proposals everyone cried about in the early 2000's would have been so much better than this.

Would it? As you point out, this idea has been floating around for at least twenty years, and there have been several attempts to implement it, but it's never come even remotely close to taking off.

If it was really such a good idea, it would surely be with us by now. "Better" for who?

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AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.44375741[source]
There have always been two main things preventing this from happening.

The first is that you can't use credit cards for it because their fees are in the nature of "2.9% + $0.30" and it's the $0.30 that annihilates your ability to do $0.05 transactions.

And the second is that people don't like to associate their identity with every little thing they do, so anything that requires them to is friction and any friction on top of a $0.05 transaction is fatal, but then all the payment systems require that. This one's the crazy irony because the alternative to it is ads, and then people complain about the intrusiveness of that because it tries to track them anyway, whereas what we want is the ability to pay for something with a trivial amount of money instead of being tracked.

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Workaccount2 ◴[] No.44378324[source]
Let me take it one step further though.

Many people, even having viewed ads, never really paid anything into the system. They just ignore the ads regardless of how perfectly tailored they are. Maybe we can say something about sub conscious influence or the like, but on the surface the internet is just a huge free playground for them.

Or perhaps they bought products from ads, but it was just stuff they were looking to buy anyway. So they effectively get "free internet" just for buying a school laptop or power tool set.

The downside to the ad model is all the privacy invasion, but being real for a second, the privacy invasion so far is scary because of hypothetical threats, not realized ones.

For the vast majority of people who are tracked to hell and back, their is zero perceptible impact on their day to day life, while they get a bunch of free stuff for it.

This is why the ad model will be near impossible to kill.

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1. kjkjadksj ◴[] No.44378633[source]
It is interesting how different this plays out in real life. The billboard on the corner doesn’t support anything I use. It is probably making the owner $50k in billings passively a month that they use to screw around with.

Sometimes I think the ad market is just an emperors new clothes situation. Where really it doesn’t move the needle much but the implication it does is profitable and then both sides of the deal are incentivized in their own way to upkeep the Big Lie. The ad companies make their money collecting money from ad spend. The people in charge of ad spend justify their jobs by spending money in ads and showing comparable rates of ad spend among their competing companies in their industry. The investors prefer to see a company spending on ads like other comparable companies in the sector such as to not devalue its stock price.

But does it work? Ask anyone if ads work on them they say no. You have to get a psychologist to do some unreproducible study to prove that it works at all. And given the perverse incentives above, it just doesn’t matter if it works. The beast exists and that justifies itself.

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2. Workaccount2 ◴[] No.44378934[source]
It's undeniable that ads work. This has been endlessly researched for decades. Trust me, companies don't just throw away billions without spending millions to see if it is worthwhile.

My girlfriend works in the beauty industry on the product side. Even more important that having a good product, is having a good marketing campaign. Products live and die by their advertising. And believe it or not, lots of people click on ads.

Step back and evaluate the situation considering your thoughts on the whole population, people in general, not looking at it from your perspective with people you associate with.

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3. kjkjadksj ◴[] No.44389282[source]
Seems to me shelfspace is more significant than billboard space. E.g. is the brand out advertising another or did they lease more shelfspace at sephora? Is sephora out advertising other makeup retailers or do they simply have the sales they do from a walmart sort of regional agglomeration strategy that eliminated other options from the market for consumers to choose among? Hard to imagine a successful ad campaign today that didn’t move in lock step with simply putting the product in front of more consumers in limited marketplaces where their choosing your product would be inevitable.