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ggm ◴[] No.44371704[source]
I appreciate analogous cases are often not helpful, but in the UK some institutions like the national library of scotland are so-called "copyright libraries" and they have always restricted access to people who register and declare an interest grounded in research, or some gatekeeping around legitemate need otherwise. In many instances the documents held in these institutions are both rare, and contextually unique. Like paleological holotypes their role is different to objects on display in museums and collections.

I also believe in the general public's right to see and access things which relate to government. I'm just trying to point out that whilst this probably is reactive to current affairs (cost management? risks? FUD?) there are reasons and situations outside the USA where this is normal, and I do not mean "has been normalised to disadvantage you" -I just mean that identifying who you are and why you want to do something isn't that unusual, in archive access.

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WarOnPrivacy ◴[] No.44371727[source]
> in the UK some institutions like the national library of scotland are so-called "copyright libraries" and they have always restricted access to people who register and declare an interest grounded in research

As an 8yo, I'd walk into the US Library of Congress alone and ask for rare books.

I like this way best.

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efitz ◴[] No.44371897[source]
Until some random crazy person exercises the same right and destroys an irreplaceable rare book.

You have to get a library card for the library. I don’t see why there is so much outrage over this, and I think the timing is more about budget cuts than about Trump [caveat- firing the archivist might have been personal].

I find the arguments that “he just wants to sow distrust” etc. are completely unbelievable; he has bigger fish to fry than micromanaging the national archives.

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1. cogman10 ◴[] No.44371967[source]
> You have to get a library card for the library. I don’t see why there is so much outrage over this

Why do they need a "legitimate business need" to access the material? Why aren't they instead requiring a simple library card and/or identification.

That's why people are upset. This is more than just requiring a library card.

> Until some random crazy person exercises the same right and destroys an irreplaceable rare book.

Every library I've been in with rare books requires supervision by the archivist if you want to browse them. Sometimes only the archivist can handle the book.

The fact that these rare books aren't all being destroyed in mass tells me that this system works pretty well at screening crazy people from destroying books (and, frankly, there's not a whole lot of people dedicated to destroying rare books).

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2. WarOnPrivacy ◴[] No.44372113[source]
> Every library I've been in with rare books requires supervision by the archivist if you want to browse them. Sometimes only the archivist can handle the book.

Sure. The LOC librarians never seemed to be out of sight from 8yo me. And they were always happy to get what I asked for. It was a reasonable, functional arrangement.