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RomanPushkin ◴[] No.44366760[source]
It's kinda cool and shows that there are real people behind corporations. Some folks with lots of $$$ say "I build this" (Zuck often says that), stealing the credit of accomplishment from small little people. While real small little people leave the note in history - "nope, it's us who put our souls into making this happen". Of course, Steve Jobs would ban this.
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1. dcminter ◴[] No.44366886[source]
You know I'm not a huge fan of Jobs, but I do think he was a lot more complicated than the pantomime villain he sometimes gets characterised as. On this particular topic he was, on the contrary, the progenitor of this:

https://www.folklore.org/Signing_Party.html

So no "of course" about it.

Note also that Microsoft had a "no easter eggs" policy starting in the early 2000s. It's not really a Jobs thing.

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2. thomassmith65 ◴[] No.44367164[source]
I posted the same link and then realized you already had.

There's a grain of truth to the grandparent comment but it is distorted by Occupy Wall Street ideology.

3. pm215 ◴[] No.44367239[source]
Yeah. I think the "signed case" also has some distinctions compared to a typical software easter egg:

- the effects of it are clear

- there's basically no chance of unexpected side effects (I suppose in theory it could structurally weaken the case if the signatures were carved too deeply...)

- if a user stumbles upon it the intention is pretty clear and obviously harmless

- it's not something that might get snuck in without approval of senior management, because it's not hidden in that sense, so there is a limiter on how many of them accumulate and how complicated they might get

which help to explain why you might by policy forbid software easter eggs while still being an advocate for "signing your work".

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4. dcminter ◴[] No.44367281[source]
It's also, I think, worth bearing in mind the extraordinary growth that the computer industry has had. To be CEO of a major computer company in the mid 80s versus the late 90s was a very different level of responsibility.

What people will put up with in a hobbyist and small business environment is very different to what's acceptable in enterprise and beyond. It's all fun and games until someone has to sell to the US government...

5. BeFlatXIII ◴[] No.44367304[source]
> Microsoft had a "no easter eggs" policy starting in the early 2000s

Note that this was in the aftermath of a summer with multiple major XP security issues.

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6. amelius ◴[] No.44367311[source]
Article says:

"... Steve Jobs reportedly banning them in 1997 when he returned to Apple ..."

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7. dcminter ◴[] No.44367420[source]
Yes I know, I read it. I was responding to the parent "of course" insinuation that it was motivated by jealousy of the credit for the Mac. His established promotion of the identity of the contributors gives the lie to this view.

It was probably driven by the same kind of pragmatic business drivers as the later Microsoft ban, i.e. the perception by the market of how "serious" Apple was as a company.

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Edit: According to Gizmodo in 2012:

> He justified the credits ban as a way to avoid headhunters and other companies trying to poach Apple engineering talent. At a time when Apple was sinking rapidly, he said that it made no sense to make the life of the competition easier. He also argued that they were all responsible of the stuff they created in Cupertino. This was a complete change from the 1980s.

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8. baq ◴[] No.44368073[source]
came here to say that, too.

imagine your easter egg introduced a vulnerability. a blanket policy like that is literally the first document leadership signs and sends out.

9. codys ◴[] No.44368489[source]
Were there any Microsoft XP security issues caused by "Easter eggs" prior to that policy change? Or was this just put in place as a policy because it was easy to put in place?
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10. schlauerfox ◴[] No.44368658{3}[source]
That makes more sense in light of what came about, a massive industry wage suppression scheme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...
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11. amelius ◴[] No.44368710{4}[source]
Are Apple employees even allowed to build a resume and keep an updated version on LinkedIn?
12. PhasmaFelis ◴[] No.44368804[source]
Wasn't it also something to do with supplying government contracts, which require all behavior to be documented?
13. hinkley ◴[] No.44369010[source]
Jobs was driven. Driven means a lot of things good or bad. It means some people get their feet stepped on because they're milling about instead of moving. People don't understand that doing nothing when there is Shit to Get Done isn't neutral, it's obstructive, and that makes you the Enemy of the Driven.
14. reconnecting ◴[] No.44369877[source]
Microsoft best ever easter eggs was C:\CON\CON
15. Analemma_ ◴[] No.44370712{3}[source]
I don't think there were any specific security issues caused by Easter eggs but the policy was announced as one of the many changes in their "Trustworthy Computing" initiative.

It seems kinda harsh but it's important to remember the context: at the time, the security situation in Windows and Office was dire and it was (probably correctly) perceived as an existential threat to the company. I think "no Easter eggs" was as much for optics as for its actual effect on the codebase, a way to signal "we know about and stand behind every line of code that gets written; nothing is unaccounted for".

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