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rootlocus ◴[] No.44364162[source]
> The new version of NO FAKES requires almost every internet gatekeeper to create a system that will a) take down speech upon receipt of a notice; b) keep down any recurring instance—meaning, adopt inevitably overbroad replica filters on top of the already deeply flawed copyright filters; c) take down and filter tools that might have been used to make the image; and d) unmask the user who uploaded the material based on nothing more than the say so of person who was allegedly “replicated.”

Sounds like the kind of system small companies can't implement and large companies won't care to implement.

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ajross ◴[] No.44365529[source]
> Sounds like the kind of system small companies can't implement and large companies won't care to implement.

This is true. Which is of a piece with EFF's general bent these days. They stopped caring about big issues of internet freedom long ago and are now just a parade of Big Tech Bad headlines.

And in an era where (1) Big Tech continues, after several decades, of being really quite a benign steward of society's information and (2) we have a bunch of unsupervised 20-something MAGA bros loading the entirety of the Federal government onto their Macbooks, that seems extremely tone deaf to me.

The tech privacy apocalypse is upon us. And the %!@#! EFF is still whining about Meta and ByteDance for its click stream, because like everyone else on the internet that's what they really care about.

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cvz ◴[] No.44366448[source]
I don't understand this comment. The fine article is about a proposed law that would allegedly require the implementation of half-baked censorship systems along the same lines as the DMCA. Are you saying that's not a real issue because the EFF also whines about big tech?
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ajross ◴[] No.44366531[source]
I'm saying I'm fed up with the EFF for their silence in the face of genuine disaster, and am treating them like the click farm they've become. Is NO FAKES a bad law? Probably. Do I trust the EFF to tell me that? Not anymore.

They were a genuine beacon of rationality and justice in the early internet. They're junk-tier blog spam now. And I find that upsetting, irrespective of the status of AI legislation.

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1. Analemma_ ◴[] No.44366882[source]
When you find yourself getting more angry at people saying “hey, this is a really bad law” than at the really bad law, I think you need to step back and take some deep breaths, maybe get off the internet for a while.

This philosophy is yours is bad for a number of reasons, but I’ll start with the fact that you have essentially constructed a loophole for arbitrarily bad laws to be passed. If you just rage yourself into not caring about bad laws because you’re mad at the people talking about them instead, then when will you ever oppose the bad laws, instead of “getting mad at randos online”? This quickly turns into cynicism and apathy in the face of unlimited cruelty and expansion of government power.

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2. dredmorbius ◴[] No.44367665[source]
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9944753>

(Regardless of my agreement with either you or ajross. "Get off the Internet for a while" reads close to "touch grass", which dang's specifically addressed: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40851991>.)

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3. BriggyDwiggs42 ◴[] No.44369163[source]
Your latter source was “you sound like a basket case… touch grass” which has a completely different tone and somewhat different content.
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4. dredmorbius ◴[] No.44369295{3}[source]
I'd strongly recommend people read through mods' "no personal attacks" admonishments and the comments to which they're responding to. These often make the point that even a very mild (and unintentional) barb can read far more biting than it was written:

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25982286>

This case is borderline, but I suspect mods would find it on the far side of that border. The original comment reads better without the swipe.

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5. BriggyDwiggs42 ◴[] No.44382691{4}[source]
Eh actually, on review of all the material, I fall more on your side. The original comment did have a (very mild) personal attack in it at the end of the day.
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6. dredmorbius ◴[] No.44390079{5}[source]
Thanks, and yes it can be quite subtle.