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PostOnce ◴[] No.44361768[source]
Theoretically, credit should be used for one thing: to make more money. (not less)

However, instead of using it to buy or construct a machine to triple what you can produce in an hour, the average person is using it to delay having to work that hour at all, in exchange for having to work an hour and six minutes sometime later.

At some point, you run out of hours available and the house of cards collapses.

i.e., credit can buy time in the nearly literal sense, you can do an hour's work in half an hour because the money facilitates it, meaning you can now make more money. If instead of investing in work you're spending on play, then you end up with a time deficit.

or, e.g. you can buy 3 franchises in 3 months instead of 3 years (i.e. income from the 1 franchise), trading credit for time to make more money, instead of burning it. It'd have been nice had they taught me this in school.

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andruby ◴[] No.44364438[source]
Do you also think that way about buying a house with a mortgage (credit)? I don't.

A mortgage isn't used to make more money. It's used so people can own a house after saving for a few years, rather than waiting until they've saved for a few decades.

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jacekm ◴[] No.44364583[source]
I do. Housing prices are constantly rising, when you take a loan you are buying an asset which (with some luck) may appreciate in value more than mortgage interest rates. That's why in some countries it's worth taking a loan as soon as possible without saving for too long.

Sure, without mortgage you may not be able to afford a house at all but it does not change the fact that mortgage is a "good" loan (i.e. you benefit from taking it)

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bboygravity ◴[] No.44364748[source]
Mortgages with low interest rates are also one of the (main) reasons houses are so "expensive" in the first place.

The cheaper money (credit) is, the "higher" the prices will go.

It's not so much that houses became expensive, it's more that money to buy a house (specifically mortgages) became relatively cheaper. Low interest rates did that.

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1. matthewdgreen ◴[] No.44364798[source]
This is a one-time effect, though. Or at least, an effect that only changes periodically (and should reverse) when interest rates change. 30-year mortgages have been standard in the US for most of my life, and houses have gotten a lot more expensive during that time.
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2. Retric ◴[] No.44365139[source]
Mortgage loans have been getting cheaper due to automation and the commoditization of loans / increase in surplus capital.

That then pushes up home prices over time relative to inflation.

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3. Uvix ◴[] No.44365170[source]
The effect may pause when interest rates change, but it's unlikely to reverse significantly. People who have homes now aren't going to want to sell for less than they paid for them, so there's a lot of inertia against prices going down.
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4. schmidtleonard ◴[] No.44366049[source]
The home ownership rate in the USA is 65%. If house prices start going down, money will be printed until they start going back up.
5. matthewdgreen ◴[] No.44370307[source]
Home prices have doubled in most areas since 2009 (and worse in many areas.) when people complain about prices in 2025, this is what they’re talking about. This is not driven by the novel existence of 30-year mortgages and interest rates are at a near-term high.
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6. Retric ◴[] No.44370695{3}[source]
Half of that is inflation. Most of what remains is the anomaly in housing prices in 2009 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS

Inflation adjusted median US home prices Q4 2024 where 419,300 vs Q4 2006 ~382,00 that isn’t flat but the difference is far less interesting.

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7. matthewdgreen ◴[] No.44386797{4}[source]
Median home prices aren’t very interesting because most of the increase is limited to specific competitive areas, and median US home prices hides that effect. I’m sure houses in deeply rural areas haven’t gotten much more expensive, but it isn’t relevant to me.
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8. Retric ◴[] No.44389052{5}[source]
Well over half of Americans are living in Urban areas so median here is a measure of urban home prices.

Further average home prices reflects overall economic gains. The top 10%, 1%, 0.1%, etc getting richer buy nicer stuff driving up the average but that says little about overall affordability.