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PostOnce ◴[] No.44361768[source]
Theoretically, credit should be used for one thing: to make more money. (not less)

However, instead of using it to buy or construct a machine to triple what you can produce in an hour, the average person is using it to delay having to work that hour at all, in exchange for having to work an hour and six minutes sometime later.

At some point, you run out of hours available and the house of cards collapses.

i.e., credit can buy time in the nearly literal sense, you can do an hour's work in half an hour because the money facilitates it, meaning you can now make more money. If instead of investing in work you're spending on play, then you end up with a time deficit.

or, e.g. you can buy 3 franchises in 3 months instead of 3 years (i.e. income from the 1 franchise), trading credit for time to make more money, instead of burning it. It'd have been nice had they taught me this in school.

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janalsncm ◴[] No.44362085[source]
Not sure what you mean by the “average person” here but the biggest kinds of debt are mortgages ($12T) and cc debt, student loans, and car loans (roughly 4T total).

Is your position that taking debt to buy a house is bad unless you can sell it for a profit? Is working for the mortgage lender to accomplish that not worth it?

You can avoid it by renting, but then you’re just working for the landlord, so there’s no avoiding it.

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Jcampuzano2 ◴[] No.44362135[source]
Every single thing you mentioned outside of cc debt (though arguably you should never reach for a credit card outside of using it for the points systems they provide) could be categorized as something used as a tool to make more money.
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eptcyka ◴[] No.44364155[source]
Vast majority of new car sales will not let the new owner make more money and were financed with debt.

If all of those buyers bought used for cash, nobody would be able to afford used cars for cash.

It really is only businesses that can convert debt into income, most consumers do not want to. There is nothing I can spend on to get a higher hourly rate.

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1. bonoboTP ◴[] No.44364789[source]
How can you factor in the aspect that a cool car might impress someone who might get you a better job? Or it allows you to "look the part" and "fake it till you make it"? People sometimes rent cars and watches and suits to appear higher class when talking to potential investors or other business partners.

Having a better house might allow you to invite more people over for parties or dinner, which can have downstream effects in your social mobility and status.

If you can keep up with the Joneses and chit chat about your vacation to some nice place, it may allow you to become an insider in some group.

At least that's the "logic" (even if subconscious) to chasing status symbols. Though very often it fails because faking it is hard and you can easily be clocked as a tasteless tryhard. But if you don't take too large steps up, you might get away with it and reap the social benefits.

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2. eptcyka ◴[] No.44365458[source]
All of the above are reasons why people go into debt, some derive genuine pleasure and happiness from their purchases. None, however, are investments that one can put on a P&L sheet, and please, never let anyone think otherwise.