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1. mytailorisrich ◴[] No.44363825[source]
I don't see anythng more "sustainable" in this phone compared to mainstream ones. Making it a bit more modular or repairable does not make it "sustainable".
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2. choffee ◴[] No.44364132[source]
They have a post about some of the reasons that the 5 was sustainable. It's not just the repair and modular parts but the whole supply chain.

It' rarely gets talked about here as this is a mostly tech audience who focus on features, which are important, but Fairphone is more focused on the impact of the manufacture.

https://www.fairphone.com/en/2023/08/30/is-the-fairphone-5-t...

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3. palata ◴[] No.44364207[source]
It's not "a bit more repairable": it makes it repairable for people who would not be able to repair a mainstream phone.

I have many friends who never repair their phone: as soon as something is broken they buy a new one, because the repair price is often very high. With FairPhone, you get 5 years of warranty and after that you can repair it yourself at a low price.

If some people can repair their FairPhone instead of throwing their mainstream phone away, then that's a win.

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4. mytailorisrich ◴[] No.44364475[source]
That article subtly shifts from "sustainable" to "most sustainable"... It can be so while not really being sustainable.

"Fair materials" means nothing.

"100% e-waste neutral" is the same as claiming that you are "100% carbon neutral" because you buy carbon "offsets". It's dubious.

There are real positives, though: "100% recycled tin solder paste, 80% recycled steel, 75% post-consumer recycled plastics in the battery frame"

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5. mytailorisrich ◴[] No.44364752[source]
I had my local Apple store replace an iPhone battery for £69. If I Google "Fairphone 5 battery" it comes at about the same price (£45 - £65) just to get the part.

Of course, warranty won't cover aged battery or damage (which probably are 99% of repairs) in any case.

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6. palata ◴[] No.44365098{3}[source]
> I had my local Apple store replace an iPhone battery for £69

What about changing the screen? Or USB port? Or camera? Or speaker?

> "Fairphone 5 battery" it comes at about the same price (£45 - £65) just to get the part.

45 is still cheaper than 69, and you don't need more than "getting the part" because it's trivial to change it yourself, right?

7. bcye ◴[] No.44366878{3}[source]
> So, for every Fairphone 5 we make, we responsibly collect and recycle 212 grams of electronic waste. And a lot of that waste is taken from countries where e-waste recycling is not a reality yet.

It does not seem like they are buying offsets. Also why would Fair materials mean nothing?

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8. mytailorisrich ◴[] No.44367162{4}[source]
They are claiming that they are recycling something to offset their phones... that's nice but it tells us very little.

"Fair materials" means nothing in itself and certainly nothing in relation to sustainability.

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9. bcye ◴[] No.44375961{5}[source]
They have made extensive blog posts about their supply chain and material sourcing over the years.

And they're claiming to recycle e-waste proportionally to the weight of each sold phone, what more specifics would you want?