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401 points Bluestein | 21 comments | 23 Jun 25 15:29 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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godelski ◴[23 Jun 25 16:51 UTC] No.44357661[source]▶
They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back
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1. al_borland ◴[23 Jun 25 23:50 UTC] No.44361409[source]▶
I was a FaceID skeptic and it quickly won me over, not because of the unlocking experience, but for the authentication during use. What used to be a prompt, followed by an active fingerprint scan, turned into something completely seamless and automatic.
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2. thallium205 ◴[23 Jun 25 23:59 UTC] No.44361469[source]▶
My wife and her sister can unlock each other’s iPhones using the face unlock feature which blows my mind because they do NOT look super similar and are 4 years apart. I’ve turned off all biometrics and use only a PIN. I’m extremely skeptical of the tech.
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3. makeitdouble ◴[24 Jun 25 00:01 UTC] No.44361483[source]▶
FaceID is still not working well for many cases. I thought it was just my family, but it seems common enough [0].

It's nice that is works for you, but it really sucks when it fails as there's no other biometric alternative. And changing their whole ecosystem just to get working biometrics is a high bar for many.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Makeup/comments/wfjy5x/apple_id_doe...

4. Gigachad ◴[24 Jun 25 00:19 UTC] No.44361582[source]▶
Two situations I can think of, they might have Bluetooth unlock with an apple watch enabled, or they might have the work with masks setting turned on which turns the accuracy to shit.
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5. beeflet ◴[24 Jun 25 00:32 UTC] No.44361680[source]▶
That's what makes it insecure. You're always looking at the device.

Besides, fingerprint is even faster. You can unlock the device right as you grab it out of your pocket. You don't even have to look at it.

6. svachalek ◴[24 Jun 25 01:03 UTC] No.44361870{3}[source]▶
Your watch should not unlock someone else's phone though.
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7. Gigachad ◴[24 Jun 25 01:05 UTC] No.44361880{4}[source]▶
The point is if you have watch unlock enabled and someone unlocks your phone standing right next to you, it's still in range to unlock your phone with your watch.
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8. busymom0 ◴[24 Jun 25 03:27 UTC] No.44362626[source]▶
My sister in law's mom and her daughter have the same thing too where the daughter can unlock her mom's phone with faceID. I researched this and apparently, if you have an unsuccessful unlock first and then you enter the code to unlock, then the phone may train the faceID with the new face too.
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9. godelski ◴[24 Jun 25 04:32 UTC] No.44362879[source]▶
That was my experience with a back fingerprint reader. I reach my hand into my pocket, my finger naturally lands on the sensor, and my phone is unlocked before it's out!

I rarely saw my lockscreen

But when I switched to the pixel 8 with a front reader I always saw it

Now on my iPhone I see it frequently and it doesn't land when wearing a mask, when I'm talking, when I'm not looking (I could blind navigate my phone), or when it's just dark. So it just feels painfully slow in comparison...

Nothing has beaten the magical experience of a back fingerprint reader and I think this is why so many of us miss it. But I'm sure it's one of those things you'd have had to use to really feel the magic

It doesn't have to be for everyone but there's enough phones that the option should be available...

10. mrweasel ◴[24 Jun 25 06:50 UTC] No.44363489[source]▶
FaceID does have two flaws in my mind.

1) I frequently unlock my phone while it's laying flat on the desk a good distance from my face. The camera can't see me, and certainly not well enough to identify me.

2) I don't believe that you can add a second FaceID. Currently I have a few fingers added to my TouchID, including my wifes index finger, allowing her to unlock my phone.

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11. davkan ◴[24 Jun 25 08:08 UTC] No.44363888[source]▶
The one place i feel faceid is better than rear fingerprint reader is when i need to auth multiple times in quick succession like filling with my password manager.
12. wiether ◴[24 Jun 25 08:39 UTC] No.44364060[source]▶
That's weird!

I got braces recently and I had to go through the FaceID process again because it didn't recognized me anymore.

Obviously my teeth are quite different with my mouth open, but apparently, it modified my face enough when mouth closed that FaceID thaught I was not myself anymore.

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13. al_borland ◴[24 Jun 25 09:47 UTC] No.44364412{3}[source]▶
Wow, that’s pretty interesting. I wouldn’t think that would be enough to impact it without some accompanying procedures, like expanding the pallet, or some kind of jaw surgery.

Was it right away from getting the braces put on (from a little extra bulk on the teeth), or after they’ve been on for several months, where the movement of the teeth could change the structure of the face around the mouth?

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14. al_borland ◴[24 Jun 25 09:48 UTC] No.44364418{5}[source]▶
Doesn’t the screen indicate which unlock method it’s using?
15. al_borland ◴[24 Jun 25 09:51 UTC] No.44364428[source]▶
Regarding flaw 2, this was the case at launch, but they added an option to register an “additional appearance”.
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16. poulpy123 ◴[24 Jun 25 11:30 UTC] No.44364999[source]▶
I'm just using a PIN too, I don't want to give google/apple/any other my fingerprints or my face features
17. wiether ◴[24 Jun 25 12:13 UTC] No.44365301{4}[source]▶
It started as soon as I left the orthodontist's place.

Based on what I can see in the mirror and the fact that some people asked me if I had lost weight (I didn't), it appears that the braces on the upper teeth are pushing my upper lip away, which in turns is pulling my face skin, resulting in more hollow cheeks and more visible cheekbones.

18. mrweasel ◴[24 Jun 25 14:04 UTC] No.44366406{3}[source]▶
Nice, I did not know that. Thank you.
19. diggan ◴[24 Jun 25 14:06 UTC] No.44366419{3}[source]▶
> if you have an unsuccessful unlock first and then you enter the code to unlock, then the phone may train the faceID with the new face too

Ay wat? That sounds completely backwards, like if an incorrect password for account login would automatically reset the account password to the incorrect one, how would that make sense?!

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20. LexGray ◴[24 Jun 25 14:45 UTC] No.44366838{4}[source]▶
Worked that way from FaceID introduction. Apple never cared enough. If you share your phone it is on you that the phone accepts the face who you share it with after you enter a pin. It really should have a new face button under the pin.
21. int_19h ◴[25 Jun 25 03:16 UTC] No.44373359{4}[source]▶
I wonder if it depends on the phone model as well, and specifically on the quality of whatever sensor they use for depth perception.