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throwaway7679 ◴[] No.44360168[source]
There are lots of details about the technology, license agreements, service history, comparable platforms, and whatnot, which all form reasonable support for botghost.

None of that matters in the slightest. They're dealing with an indifferent, capricious, unaccountable company. And trying to do it without enough leverage to even get a response.

It seems like it's about to end the way it was always going to.

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out-of-ideas ◴[] No.44360355[source]
yup, agreed- worth going over the non tl;dr (sufficient to say the tl;dr misses some good juice, but thats what the page in full is for).

i was sorta curious on the policy changes over time, since botghost has been around since '18. all i can say is good luck to botgost

histories of policies-ish:

- from the tl;dr (they also explain #4 as well in the non-tl;dr):

> Discord issued a breach notice to BotGhost, claiming the platform violates Developer Policy 4 by handling bot tokens, which has been a core part of how BotGhost has worked since 2018.

- policy from discrap: https://support-dev.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/8563934450...

> 4. Do not collect, solicit, or deceive users into providing passwords or other credentials. Under no circumstances may you or your Application request or attempt to obtain login credentials from Discord users. This includes information such as passwords or account access or login tokens.

- policy in 2022 (of that page, but note the random digits in the numbers make it terrible to easily see history), thanks archive.org!: https://web.archive.org/web/20221001073449/https://support-d...

> Do not collect, solicit, or deceive users into providing user login credentials. Under no circumstances may you or your Application solicit, obtain, or request login credentials from Discord users in any way. This includes information such as passwords or user access or login tokens.

- and archive.org of github of the before 2022 change (mentioned in the above archive) (does not really mention collecting of user auths - as per my quick glance [i welcome a double check]): https://web.archive.org/web/20220921062136/https://github.co...

edit: fix copy-pasta

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1. throwaway7679 ◴[] No.44360584[source]
> NEITHER DISCORD NOR ITS AFFILIATES, SUPPLIERS, OR DISTRIBUTORS MAKE ANY SPECIFIC PROMISES ABOUT THE APIs, API DATA, DOCUMENTATION, OR ANY DISCORD SERVICES.

The existence of terms like this make any discussion of the other terms look pretty silly.

Their policy is simply that they do whatever they want, and that hasn't changed.

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2. out-of-ideas ◴[] No.44360669[source]
> Their policy is simply that they do whatever they want, and that hasn't changed.

yup! and don't forget they can change their policy whenever they want too

also they rank D on this site: https://tosdr.org/en/service/536