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mlhpdx ◴[] No.44357730[source]
It’s very odd to think of something extremely hot but with almost no density, and therefore very little heat transfer.
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jordanb ◴[] No.44357945[source]
That's actually most of space. Space is a very hot environment, especially where we are so close to the sun. Think about it. When you stand outside in the sun you heat up. All that heat is coming from the sun. But a lot of it was filtered by the atmosphere, so if you're in space near earth it will be hotter than standing at the equator on a sunny day, in terms of radiation.

Then there's the fact that heat is very difficult to get rid of when in space. The ISS's radiators are much bigger than its solar panels. If you wanted to have a very-long eva spacesuit you'd have to have radiators much bigger than your body hanging off of it. Short evas are handled by starting the eva with cold liquids in the suit and letting them heat up.

All of the mockups of starships going to Mars mostly fail to represent where they're going to put the radiators to get rid of all the excess heat.

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cma ◴[] No.44358215[source]
But boiling water is just a few hundred Kelvin, this is tens of thousands. Would EVA spacesuits be able to radiate that much away if it was really that hot but for the atmosphere absorbing some?

I know it is much hotter, but that's way way hotter and they only find it at a "wall" way farther out.

This is more the temperature of the solar wind, dwarfing the steady state temperature you'd reach from the photonic solar radiation at any distance. The Sun's blackbody varies from like 5000K to 7000K, you won't see objects heated in the solar system heated higher than that even with full reflectors covering the field of view of the rear with more sun and being near the surface of the sun, other than a tiny amount higher from stellar wind, tidal friction, or nuclear radiation from the object's own material I don't think.

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1. foxyv ◴[] No.44358501[source]
> Would EVA spacesuits be able to radiate that much away if it was really that hot but for the atmosphere absorbing some?

Yes! The tiny number of particles are moving really fast, but there are very few of them. We are talking about vacuum that is less than 10^-17 torr. A thermos is about 10^-4 torr. The LHC only gets down to 10^-10 torr. At those pressures you can lower the temperature of a kilometer cube by 10 thousand kelvin by raising the temperature of a cubic centimeter of water by 1 kelvin. There is very little thermal mass in such a vacuum which is why temperature can swing to such wild levels.

This is also why spacecraft have to reject heat purely using radiation. Typically you heat up a panel with a lot of surface area using a heat pump and dump the energy into space as infrared. Some cooling paints on roofing do this at night which is kind of neat.

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2. jamiek88 ◴[] No.44358644[source]
To add to this: Most of the heat the EVA suits deal with is generated by the human inside not the giant ball of nuclear fusion 8 light minutes away.
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3. rtkwe ◴[] No.44358883[source]
Absorbed light too but that's a bit easier to deal with and is why most things are white or reflective on the outside of anything in space that's not intentionally trying to absorb heat.
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5. foxyv ◴[] No.44361170[source]
Solar radiation is roughly 1 kilowatt per square meter. Human beings generate about 0.1 kilowatts. A good suit will try to reject as much of that kilowatt as possible. Also your dark side will radiate heat but the temperature differential is much lower.

Suits are insulating for a reason. You want to prevent heating on the sun side and prevent too much cooling on the space side. Your body is essentially encapsulated in a giant thermos.

Cooling is achieved using a recirculating cold water system that is good for a few hours of body heat. Water is initially cooled by the primary life support system of the spacecraft before an EVA. Pretty much it starts off pretty cold and slowly over time comes up to your body heat. Recent designs use evaporative cooling to re-cool the water.

Life support systems are so cool.