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Just a note of warning from personal experience.

Companies don’t really need non-competes anymore. Some companies take an extremely broad interpretation of IP confidentiality, where they consider doing any work in the industry during your lifetime an inevitable confidentiality violation. They argue it would be impossible for you to work elsewhere in this industry during your entire career without violating confidentiality with the technical and business instincts you bring to that domain. It doesn’t require conscious violation on your part (they argue).

So beware and read your employment agreement carefully.

More here https://www.promarket.org/2024/02/08/confidentiality-agreeme...

And this is the insane legal doctrine behind this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inevitable_disclosure

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tgsovlerkhgsel ◴[] No.44340047[source]
OTOH, beware letting yourself be intimidated by scary looking but unenforcable clauses that are all over contracts. In doubt, spend a bit of money on a lawyer to figure out what your real situation is.

I know of several cases where lawyers said "don't bother arguing with them about clause X, just sign it and ignore it".

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BobbyTables2 ◴[] No.44340737[source]
I suspect our primary school upbringing of “follow the rules” holds a lot of people back.

Seems like a lot of successful people in business know exactly how far they can step over the line without suffering serious consequences.

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thfuran ◴[] No.44341499[source]
Societies where no one has any regard for rules aren't great either.
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1. inetknght ◴[] No.44341566[source]
You can't make billions of dollars by following rules...
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2. epicureanideal ◴[] No.44342325[source]
Society would be better if we could, and we would all benefit.

Looking at what the growth trajectories are of countries with high corruption, it’s not great, so our growth is probably still reduced by the corruption or lawlessness that still exists.

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3. thfuran ◴[] No.44342748[source]
Why do you think having billionaires at all is of benefit to society? Or do you just mean that the people inclined to break rules to accumulate unreasonable wealth would just follow them instead if that worked as well and that is what would benefit society?
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4. epicureanideal ◴[] No.44343007{3}[source]
Because in a well organized society where wealth accumulation is not by corruption, then by definition it would be by creating value, which benefits everyone.

The alternative is something like oligarchs that extract wealth because of state granted monopolies, corporatism that strangles competition with anti competitive regulation, etc. The accumulation of wealth is all out of proportion and possibly not even correlated in those cases with the production of actual value.

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5. thfuran ◴[] No.44345761{4}[source]
Wealth is accumulated by capturing value, not by creating it.
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7. teaearlgraycold ◴[] No.44348246[source]
Ideally less people would be attaining that kind of personal wealth. Companies should be scaled back as well IMO.
8. epicureanideal ◴[] No.44349804{5}[source]
Technically true, but ideally it would be capturing a portion of value created by them, rather than a portion of value created by others, is my point.